"Square President: FF and DQ no longer PS3 exclusive"

[Sovere]

Square have done crazier things. Remember the jump-ship from Nintendo?

Don't forget FF the spirits within.

 

[Nicked]

Wada isn't specific in his statements, but his intentions seem obvious. "The next-gen consoles have sets of users, and as a result the high-end users will want a gaming experience different from that of low-end users," he says. "Our intention is not to focus on one platform, but to distribute the share of our games among the consoles."

That is the only quote made by Wada. He doesn't even mention FF/DQ. Its conjecture on mainichi-msn.co.jp as to what it means.

 

[Carl B]

Square-Enix might do anything at any time - they are an independent company afterall. All that said, as far as FF XIV and DQ IX coming to non-Sony systems, I think the wording of the (translated) quote doesn't automatically point to that:

Commenting to Japanese site Mainichi Interactive on August 3, Wada explained, "The market for next generation game machines will be split into 'high end' and 'low end' according to the type of user. Rather than one hardware dominating, the various machines will carve out their own share."

I think what this is telling us is that Square will produce games for the consoles, and those games will suit the capabilities/demographics of said consoles.

So, will FF XIV be a PS3 exclusive? The quote doesn't really say one way or another. All it seems to imply is that all consoles will get games. I'm not saying exclusivity is the case, but I could just as easily argue from the direction of the 'high-end' hardware, aka PS3, getting the 'core' series installments, with other games going to the other systems. Maybe the 360 will get the lions-share of MMORPGs, for example. Who knows what the deal is?

Answer: none of us.

 

[scooby_dooby]

It's certainly no skin off my nose if platform A gets game X (exclusively or non-exclusively), since I've not been dependent on one platform for a very long time. Grow up.

Grow Up? I like xbox only because it had better games, it means nothing to me for next gen and I'll probably buy both systems as long as ps3 has some decent new exclusives, or if it's more powerful. I favour the system with the best quality of games, bottom line, could care less what corporation is attached to the brandname.

Maybe re-read your original post! As I took it you're inferring that SE has always been "cross platform" which is nothing more than a technicality, we all know they've been basically PS2 exclusive where it counts. You're just playing with words.

What reason do you have to think that the x360 won't get it's own orgiinal version of FF or DQ? if it's no skin off your nose, why are you being so illogical and denying what Wada & Co. have been saying for the past 3 months?

You may pay lip service to the fact SE will suppotr 360 in some effect, but the fact remains you are basically twisting what they've said to be meaningless, in reality these are very substantial announcements.

 

[liverkick]

and your opinion to teh contrary is just wishful thinking on your part.

I think there's plenty of "wishful thinking" on both sides of this silly little red line to go around.

 

[DigitalSoul]

Well, xbdestroya, anything can happen you never know

Even though I'm interested in seeing where SE takes these franchise on next-gen platforms, I've never been a huge DQ fan(cause I've never played any of the games),and I've only played a few FF games(I liked what I've played expect FFX-2). The other Square properties I'm really interested in, I'm hoping, will get revisted next-gen atleast.

Don't know why, it would just seem odd to me if, lets say for example FF13, was released on all three platforms. What I predict SE will do is release some their franchises(exclusively) on specific platforms....along with some multiplatform titles. Just my prediction is all.

Hopefully Square-Enix can deliver next-gen, because they have been lacking a bit his gen.......especially compared to what they offered during the PSone and even the SNES generations.

 

[Brad Grenz]

first SE comes out at E3, makes a presentation at MS's conferences, shows a FF11 demo and promises "many more titles to come"

You are aware that he never said that, right? His tenor was more along the lines of "exploring future partnerships". It seems to me that it is the MS ******s who eagerly misconstrue every quote as proof SE is abandoning Sony. Remember a couple weeks ago when Square was supposed to drop a bomb during that MS summit? And then nothing? Or back at E3 when Square was turning traitor to appear at the Xbox 360 unveiling to show... a PS2 port... Frankly the Sony ******s have history and the high ground on their side. SE is expaning their markets into portable and mobile platforms including NDS, PSP and cell phones. But there's no reason to believe they'll stop focusing their major releases on the sure thing next gen.

And does anyone else get the feeling that in Japan "high end" = PS3, and "low end" = Revolution?

 

[liverkick]

And does anyone else get the feeling that in Japan "high end" = PS3, and "low end" = Revolution?

That would fall in line with Kojima's wonderfully goofy dinner analogy. "Revolution will be like a nice meal at Denny's"...OK so Im paraphrasing a bit.

 

[Carl B]

Well, xbdestroya, anything can happen you never know

Even though I'm interested in seeing where SE takes these franchise on next-gen platforms, I've never been a huge DQ fan(cause I've never played any of the games),and I've only played a few FF games(I liked what I've played expect FFX-2). The other Square properties I'm really interested in, I'm hoping, will get revisted next-gen atleast.

Don't know why, it would just seem odd to me if, lets say for example FF13, was released on all three platforms. What I predict SE will do is release some their franchises(exclusively) on specific platforms....along with some multiplatform titles. Just my prediction is all.

Hopefully Square-Enix can deliver next-gen, because they have been lacking a bit his gen.......especially compared to what they offered during the PSone and even the SNES generations.

I totally agree.

I think the platforms of their flagship titles will be mainly determined by the console with the largest Japanese installed base - ie PS3. As for the rest of it, anything goes.

Also you really should play some of the older Dragon Warriors/Quests one day, if you can handle the retro graphics. Those are some great games, and there's a reason they consistently are the #1 selling franchise in Japan.

Not nearly as 'beautiful' as FF though, that much is true.

 

[Bobbler]

I remember when Nintendo Power offered Dragon Warrior 1 for nearly free (I think all you had to do was pay shipping or something like that). Anyone else remember that?

DW1 was fun -- the slimes are quite possibly the best enemy in any RPG.

 

[Carl B]

I remember when Nintendo Power offered Dragon Warrior 1 for nearly free (I think all you had to do was pay shipping or something like that). Anyone else remember that?

DW1 was fun -- the slimes are quite possibly the best enemy in any RPG.

Hey, that's how I got my Dragon Warrior!

But... I don't think it was Nintendo Power, was it? I think it may have been that precursor magazine. I forget it's name, but I got three issues of it before it all switched over to Nintendo Power.

 

[JasonLD]

I saw the article and he did say there is "possibility" that they might pursue multiplatform...yet u have to make the title of thread "Square President: FF and DQ no longer PS3 exclusive" That is nothing more than an attempt to start flaming war between xbox fans and ps fans.
It will be all depended on how Xbox360 sells in Japan....if Sony becomes dominant in Japan again, then it will not likely happen.

 

[Pete]

Bobbler, I certainly do. Still got it somewhere around here, as a matter of fact. I thought I got it thru a Nintendo Power subscription, but xdestroya could be right.

scooby_dooby, are you bringing in mud from another thread? Because I don't see justification for your attacks in this one. Perhaps if you'd more fully quoted (or read) Titanio's first post....

Since when was FF exclusive to Playstation? <-- Smiley is a clue

Seriously, though.... <-- Words also clues

 

[Nicked]

I saw the article and he did say there is "possibility" that they might pursue multiplatform...yet u have to make the title of thread "Square President: FF and DQ no longer PS3 exclusive" That is nothing more than an attempt to start flaming war between xbox fans and ps fans.
It will be all depended on how Xbox360 sells in Japan....if Sony becomes dominant in Japan again, then it will not likely happen.

It* doesn't mention multi-platform at all. Its talking about userbases and how different games would suit different platforms. Its (imo) an affirmation that the main FF/DQ series is PS3 exclusive.

Man this caused a stir round the internet, now theres some cold crow being served to all the X360 fans who said FF wasn't important ('dwindling importance' etc.) but grasped so desperately at the thought of it being on X360 ('Haha suckas, PS3 is dead').

(not anyone here, btw)

Edit; *The original article, I mean.

 

[Titanio]

Grow Up? I like xbox only because it had better games, it means nothing to me for next gen and I'll probably buy both systems as long as ps3 has some decent new exclusives, or if it's more powerful. I favour the system with the best quality of games, bottom line, could care less what corporation is attached to the brandname.

I'm telling you to grow up because you're coming in here, claws out, stoking argument and flamebait and indulging in your need to pigeonhole to the point of completely misreading other peoples posts (and subsequently attacking them for that).

What reason do you have to think that the x360 won't get it's own orgiinal version of FF or DQ?

And this is exactly what I mean. Where did I ever say this? In fact, my original post and the reference to previous FF games on other platforms directly inferred that I thought it more likely X360 would get an original game from one or both of those series, like GC did with CC, than a game from the "numbered" series. I also said however, that I would not be surprised if numbered installments in those series went to more than one platform. However, do I think installments in the numbered series would go exclusively to X360? That's a completely different question, and the answer is brief: highly unlikely

 

[one]

While the ign article is quite accurate (and has an interesting insignt on DQ), the 1up article has some free interpretation mixed in, so I'd do a literal translation of the original article at MSN-Mainich here.

http://www.mainichi-msn.co.jp/entertainment/game/gamenews/news/20050803org00m300121000c.html

Squ-Eni: DQ and FF to be deployed in multiple hardwares in the next-gen consoles

On Aug. 3rd, SquareEnix president Yoichi Wada presented his vision that there's possiblity that "Dragon Quest" and "Final Fantasy" series, which are being deployed mainly on PS2, can be deployed on multiple next-gen game consoles.

Wada broke it down that as user demand would be split like "high-end" and "low-end" (me: it's written "low-tend" in the article but it'd be a typo) in the next-gen game-console market, the share would be split by each game console, without one console outstanding. Because of this, deploying flagship titles on multiple hardwares depending on the situation would expand overall game users, he suggested.

As for the online game FF11, the service for Xbox360 next-gen console has already been announced in addition to current PS2 and Windows. As for the PS2 software Dragon Quest 8 that is to be released in the US in November, they aim to establish it in overseas by planning to release other related games.

Obviously it's about the next-gen consoles, so PSP/NDS/cellphone are out of the scope. The "low-end" looks like Revolution by its expected price and spec, and the "high-end" will be PS3 with Blu-ray and Cell. Xbox 360 will be in the middle with its price lower than PS3. Then, he doesn't talk about specific titles, it's about DQ/FF series, regardless of what it actually means. The crew at MSN-Mainichi seem not to think it's about making a single title go multi, as seen in how they mention FF11 and DQ 8 in the last paragraph.

So he said nothing like "let's make FF13 multi and cover the huge dev cost". Also, it has to be noted that in theory you can pump the money earned in a low-end market with a low-end product into development for a different high-end product for a high-end market. Now, SE has a choice, that is whether it releases the next main FF single-player game on PS3 to maintain the brand value by utilizing the full spec of PS3, or not. The brand value is important, they managed to make only 2 main FF and 1 DQ in this console cycle. Whether SE put the next main FF on Xbox 360 depends on how different PS3 and Xbox 360 are in their real-world performance, and on their market performances in the forthcoming years ("depending on the situation") too. Anyway Revolution won't get the main FF/DQ, that's sure.

 

[Hardknock]

This is soooo interesting. I was shocked like many people when Square up and left Nintendo for Playstation. That single move helped turn the tides in Sony's favor way back when. While I don't expect SE to take that same drastic measure, I do expect for FF13 and DQ to come to the Xbox 360 depending on how well FFXI sells. Anybody that doesn't think this is a major blow to Sony is a fool. They just lost one of their main exclusive franchises. If this comes to pass, a gamer would have one less reason to pick up a PS3 over a Xbox 360. This war is going to be won with exclusives. And with Sony's main franchises being from 3rd parties they've got a very serious problem. I mean, Xbox 360 has Rare, Bungie, MGS, MistWalker, Q Entertainment, the creator of GTA, Gears Of War and several other games ALL EXCLUSIVE. If given the choice which system would you choose??

 

[rabidrabbit]

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And with Sony's main franchises being from 3rd parties they've got a very serious problem. I mean, Xbox 360 has Rare, Bungie, MGS, MistWalker, Q Entertainment, the creator of GTA, Gears Of War and several other games ALL EXCLUSIVE. If given the choice which system would you choose??

I'd like to correct.
I don't think Mistwalker, Q Entertainment, the creator of GTA are ALL EXCLUSIVE.
They might be making a game or games that are exclusive to xbox360, but they are not solely committed to xbox360.
They will be making games for PS3 and likely for "Revolution" too.
MS has Rare, bungie and MGS... so, Sony has Polyphony, the various SCE Studios (London, Liverpool...Japan, America) Naughty Dog, Insomniac Games, Incognito Entertainment, Guerrilla Games...

 

[Guden Oden]

Anybody that doesn't think this is a major blow to Sony is a fool. They just lost one of their main exclusive franchises.

Don't sell the skin before the bear's been shot... There hasn't been any square x360 product announcements yet, or in fact any official word whatsoever.

Even if this rumor pans out, when/if FF moves to microsoft's hardware, we have no idea what shape or form it might be in. It could be another crystal chronicle-like title that while bearing the FF name, has nothing in common with the actual FF titles from the past/present.

We just don't know anything yet, all there is is a lot of brouhaha amongst (mostly fanpeople) internetters. Personally, I couldn't give a rat's ass about wether FF13 comes to x360 or not, the FF games stopped being interesting at sequel seven IMO and have gone downhill ever since. X was a complete atrocity, and from what I hear, X2 was even worse.

I want this series to live up to its name. FINAL fantasy! Stop making more of them all the time!

This war is going to be won with exclusives.

I don't think that's an accurate statement. PS2 didn't win its generation because of exclusive titles, it won because it was a playstation, and having the broadest (not most exclusive) range of software.

If given the choice which system would you choose??

If you're going to make people choose, you have to present another option.

Why would anyone choose a console because that console manufacturer owns a number of software studios? That makes no sense. It's the software itself people care about, not who controls ownership of it.

 

[Hardknock]

Don't sell the skin before the bear's been shot... There hasn't been any square x360 product announcements yet, or in fact any official word whatsoever.

Did you miss where I said "If this comes to pass," and "depending on how well FFXI sales"? Read my entire post before commenting please.

Even if this rumor pans out, when/if FF moves to microsoft's hardware, we have no idea what shape or form it might be in. It could be another crystal chronicle-like title that while bearing the FF name, has nothing in common with the actual FF titles from the past/present.

Oh please. It's quite clear that he's refering to the main series and not spin-offs. If he was only refering to 'spin-offs'(Like online FFs and crystal chronicle) he wouldn't have even mentioned it, those games have already went to other platforms this gen.

We just don't know anything yet, all there is is a lot of brouhaha amongst (mostly fanpeople) internetters. Personally, I couldn't give a rat's ass about wether FF13 comes to x360 or not, the FF games stopped being interesting at sequel seven IMO and have gone downhill ever since. X was a complete atrocity, and from what I hear, X2 was even worse.

I want this series to live up to its name. FINAL fantasy! Stop making more of them all the time!

PS3 is losing exclusives that's the big news. I'm not going to automatically pick up FF just because it comes out on 360. It'll have to be a great game first, just like any other game. ;-)

I don't think that's an accurate statement. PS2 didn't win its generation because of exclusive titles, it won because it was a playstation, and having the broadest (not most exclusive) range of software.

Dude, what are you talking about? PS2 has the most exclusives of all 3 consoles. Nobody's stating variety isn't important, but they go hand in hand. Of course if you have the most 3rd party exclusives you'll have the most variety more than likely.

If you're going to make people choose, you have to present another option.

Why would anyone choose a console because that console manufacturer owns a number of software studios? That makes no sense. It's the software itself people care about, not who controls ownership of it.

The reason is because MS owns these studios or has exclusive agreements with certain developers you will not be seeing these games on any other platform. With most 3rd parties going multiplatform with most of their big titles. 1st party exclusives and other exclusives will be all the more important. It will be these titles that will define your console and help Joy Blow decide on what system to get.