News & Rumors: Xbox One (codename Durango)

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  1. Acert93

    Acert93 Artist formerly known as Acert93
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    Thread Purpose: The primary purpose of this post is to create a running feed, in chronological order, of rumors relating to Microsoft's successor to the Xbox 360 (aka Xbox 720). A secondary purpose to to begin disseminating the rumors and creating a list of confirmed and/or busted rumors. These goals will make parsing next-gen news easier and also serve as a handy tool to reflect on which news outlets have solid sources and those that do not.

    Request: My initial list is rough and I should revise it with better credit to the primary sources. I will hopefully get to this in time, but it is a start. What I am requesting is that if there is a rumor you post it with (a) the date (b) the source (c) short summary, the headline works and (d) a link.

    Discussing the rumors are ok. We have a dedicated thread for predicting the next gen technology for all platforms so please direct non-rumor related / general industry and platform predictions there... That said discussing how the rumors are shaping up for the Xbox 720 is ok here and will inevitably include some predicative analysis. But keep it focused: This thread is about the Xbox 720 only and is intended as a feed of sorting through rumors and leaks, not your personal wish-list/prediction for the upcoming console.


    10/15/2008
    Kotaku: Xbox 720 to provide "Forward Compatibility," make supported current gen games look much better
    http://kotaku.com/5063787/rumor-next-xbox-to-be-forward-compatible

    4/16/2011
    Gamerzines: Crytek wants 8GB of RAM
    http://www.gamerzines.com/playstation/news-ps3/crytek-next-gen-8gb-ram.html

    4/20/2011
    Kotaku: MS targeting 2014 for Xbox 720
    http://kotaku.com/5794000/microsoft...or-new-consoles-leaving-nintendo-in-the-clear

    7/7/2011
    HardOCP: AMD wins all GPU contracts; Xbox 720 to have new IBM cell processor
    http://hardocp.com/article/2011/07/07/e3_rumors_on_next_generation_console_hardware/

    7/19/2011
    Tomshardware: AMD: Xbox 720 to Have Avatar-level Graphics
    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/AMD-XBox-720-Xbox-720-Avatar-Graphics-Neal-Robison,13095.html

    7/20/2011
    HardOCP: AMD gets Xbox 720 contract, rumoe of Fusion Bulldozer Variant
    http://www.hardocp.com/news/2011/07/20/next_generation_console_hardware_update

    8/15/2011
    SemiAccurate: Xbox SoC (CPU+GPU and eDRAM) named “Obed”
    http://semiaccurate.com/2011/08/15/next-gen-xbox-chip-gets-a-name-and-date/

    10/20/2011
    Develop Online: Xbox 720 in 2013
    http://www.develop-online.net/news/38917/Sources-point-to-2013-launch-for-Xbox-Next

    11/7/2011
    MS Nerd (IGN): Code Named Loop, Xbox 720 to be ARM based, smaller than Xbox 360; will have dedicated cores for graphics, AI, physics, networking, encryption, sensors
    http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/11/07/report-xbox-720-will-be-smaller-cheaper-than-xbox-360

    11/9/2011
    IGN: Xbox 720 coming holiday 2012
    http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/11/09/report-xbox-720-releasing-holiday-2012

    11/14/2011
    VG247: Xbox 720 to have 6 core CPU, AMD GPU
    http://www.vg247.com/2011/11/14/report-next-gen-xbox-announcement-for-ces-hex-core-cpu-inside/

    11/14/2011
    Eurogamer: Microsoft plans two versions of its next Xbox - rumour
    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-24-microsoft-plans-two-versions-of-its-next-xbox-rumour

    12/5/2011
    SemiAccurate: Xbox 720 chip taped out
    http://semiaccurate.com/2011/12/05/exclusive-xbox-next-chip-just-taped-out/

    12/14/2012
    CNET: Xbox 720 confirmed for 2013 launch
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57343102-75/microsoft-replaces-veteran-xbox-design-boss/

    1/18/2012
    SemiAccurate: Xbox 720 Chips in production; SoC, PPC, and AMD GCN based
    http://semiaccurate.com/2012/01/18/xbox-nextxbox-720-chips-in-production/

    1/19/2012
    Fudzilla: Next Xbox to use a SoC code named “Oban,” in production; PPC based
    http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/item/25619-oban-initial-product-run-is-real

    1/24/2012
    IGN: Xbox 720 Chipset in Production; “Oban” ready, no launch until 2013
    http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/121/1217112p1.html

    1/24/2012
    IGN: Coming 2013, Xbox 720 Will Be Six Times as Powerful as Current Gen (6670 based, not GCN)
    http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/01/24/xbox-720-will-be-six-times-as-powerful-as-current-gen

    1/25/2012
    Eurogamer: Next Xbox GPU based on £50 Radeon HD 6670 card - report
    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-01-25-next-xbox-gpu-based-on-50-radeon-hd-6670-card-report

    1/20/2012
    OXM: No Xbox 720 in 2012
    http://www.oxmonline.com/microsoft-spokesman-denies-new-xbox-2012-e3-system-debut

    1/25/2012
    Kotaku: Xbox 720 to play Blu Ray; may block used games; Kinect 2; may be 6-8x faster than Xbox 360
    http://kotaku.com/5879202/sources-t...t-play-used-games-and-will-introduce-kinect-2

    2/10/2012
    Eurogamer: Xbox 720 to use tablet like touch screen controller; UE4 running on next gen platform
    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...as-tablet-like-touch-screen-controller-rumour

    2/15/2012
    Kotaku: Xbox 720 code named Durango
    http://kotaku.com/5885539/the-next-xbox-is-code+nameddurango

    2/28/2012
    TheVerge: Crytek Twitter leak indicates Xbox 720 code name is Durango
    http://www.theverge.com/tag/xbox-durango

    3/8/2012
    Gadgets: Xbox 720 shown in London with amazing graphics
    http://www.gadgetsandgizmos.org/xbox-720-sneaked-in-to-london-now-with-amazing-graphics/

    3/9/2012
    MCV: Xbox 720 to have no disc drive, 2013 release
    http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/exclusive-no-disc-drive-for-next-xbox/092534

    3/9/2012
    Joystiq: Battlefield 3 developer DICE says 2GB of memory not enough, needs more future proofing
    http://www.joystiq.com/2012/03/09/battlefield-3s-rendering-architect-details-his-dream-specs-for/

    3/14/2012
    Kotaku: Obsidian cans dev team making Xbox 720 exclusive
    http://kotaku.com/5893427/rumor-obs...-was-for-the-next-xbox-published-by-microsoft

    3/16/2012
    Tomshardware: No Xbox 720 at E3, 2012, or anytime soon
    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Microsoft-Xbox-Xbox-720-E3-2012-PS4-New-Console,15043.html

    4/2/2012
    VG247: Dual South Island (GCN) GPUs not in SLI, 4-6 Core CPU, Blu Ray, Kinect, Always On Internet Required, 2013 release
    http://www.vg247.com/2012/04/02/xbox...tcon-required/


    Confirmed Rumors:
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    Busted Rumors:
    * Xbox 720 hardware to be show at E3 2012
    * Xbox 720 to be released in 2012

    Modedit:
    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-microsoft-scalable-platform-patent
     
  2. Rangers

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    From what I have seen so far I bet none of the rumors are solid, except maybe vague ones like "coming in 2013 or 2014! Major devs may have dev kits or at least target specs!) .

    You can probably put that it's codenamed Durango as reasonably confirmed. The other major rumors, 6670, Charlie's Oban/SOC stuff, and the tablet controller stuff are likely baloney or at best have no corroboration imo.
     
  3. Rangers

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    Hey, I was looking for a new rumor to post here, and whaddya know one popped up!

    http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/exclusive-no-disc-drive-for-next-xbox/092534

     
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    Rumors like that make me wonder if MS isn't planning two discreet products right now. One a low cost, ARM based, diskless, casual focused Kinect box that'll be more like a Roku or AppleTV with a depth camera and lightweight gaming, and the other a traditional PowerPC, AMD GPU console with a blu-ray based optical drive for core gaming (that may also support all it's little brother's games, too).
     
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    Yeah, that's crossed my mind two. Maybe a 2013 box and a 2014 uber-box.
     
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    Excellent thread. wonder if we can do something to pair up all the conflicting ones (Blu-Ray v No DiscDrive etc) . Probably wouldn't be anything left if we did though :)
     
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    Great thread, I would like to see the ones who will be true.
     
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    Great thread, we should really do this for all next gen consoles.

    Many of the rumors for the 360 were pretty spot on, so I'm curious to see how things play out next gen.

    I've thought about this too but wouldn't it make more sense to just use the existing 360's hardware with another redesign instead of going with ARM?
     
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    the bluray vs no disc drive is maybe

    bluray -> for High end Box
    no disc -> Kinect Box ?
     
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    Heh, so far though the rumors are all over the place.

    Xbox next might have an IBM, AMD, or ARM processor. Hell, why not throw Intel in there as well? :D

    They do all at least agree that it'll likely have an AMD GPU, however.

    With the box still being at least 1.5-2.5 years away (I'm guessing they are targetting a holiday launch) at a minimum, it's easy enough to give devs performance targets and rough specs without actually giving out any hardware details.

    Going digital only could make for a very compact console. Combine that with the increased focus on perf/watt the last few years and we could see the next Xbox be as small as the Wii or even smaller (diskless version).

    Still, I'd be slightly surprised if they went DD only although I'd be quite happy myself if they did that.

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    I would nominate Patsu, Arwin, Shifty, or someone a little more plugged into the PS ecosystem for such. I had thought about starting one for the PS4 but I know I could not do it proper service.
     
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    Thanks Rangers.

    I have added the following:

    4/16/2011
    Gamerzines: Crytek wants 8GB of RAM
    http://www.gamerzines.com/playstation/news-ps3/crytek-next-gen-8gb-ram.html

    3/8/2012
    Gadgets: Xbox 720 shown in London with amazing graphics
    http://www.gadgetsandgizmos.org/xbox-720-sneaked-in-to-london-now-with-amazing-graphics/

    3/9/2012
    MCV: Xbox 720 to have no disc drive, 2013 release
    http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/exclusive-no-disc-drive-for-next-xbox/092534

    3/9/2012
    Joystiq: Battlefield 3 developer DICE says 2GB of memory not enough, needs more future proofing
    http://www.joystiq.com/2012/03/09/battlefield-3s-rendering-architect-details-his-dream-specs-for/

    I believe repi last year or so had a PDF mentioning potentially dozens or hundreds of cores in the future.
     
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    I can see a cheap (<$99) tiddly box, like a PS2Slim but smaller even, having quite a lot of mainstream appeal. Kinect would need work as the current design is kinda massive (why not include the console inside the camera for an all in one?!) but a cute box with downloaded games as a sort of party machine, with a lot of emphasis on sociability, would be a marketable product IMO. Not sure it'd necessarily stop existing XB owners defecting to a significantly more powerful rival, but I'd really expect a new full console for that market.

    Every rumour I hear about all platforms comes from the hardware prediction thread. I ain't got a clue what's going on! ;) (isn't PS4 an x86 Linux PC at the moment? :p)
     
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    Plugged into the PS ecosystem as you are a PS owner, traditionally Sony enthusiast i.e. likely to be interested in and/or following PS4 news. I am interested in the PS4 (hey, if it is the only real next gen platform count me in!) but I can only do one thread, don't have a PS3, and don't frequent any PS sites. I get all my news from here and Gamersyde lol, the later being formerly Xboxyde. So I am not really hooked into the sources to get this stuff... and sadly I can barely follow my own epic next gen prediction thread :p Or is it: I can barely stomach it at times ;)
     
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    Well there are only 2 or 3 PS4 rumors now anyways.

    I remember the one claiming to have stronger specs than the xbox720 and the recent one where the PS4 will be built on an AMD CPU.
     
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    Ooh, the best thing about this thread is realizing that combined, the rumors actually point to nothing in particular, so far they've covered every base except NVidia.
     
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    Ooh! So it's going to be nVidia, is it, bkillian?
     
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    So much for that:

    MS and Nvidia mend relationship, Xbox 720 to use Kepler Class GPU.

    Now watch some site like Kotaku or N4G pick that up ;) Btw, I have some internal conflict about certain... posters... commenting in this thread. It seems so... unfair, cruel, and slightly irritating. In a good way mind you :razz:
     
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    Ehh, I was never under the impression bkillian was in a position at MS to know "stuff". Could be wrong :razz:
     
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    So much for baiting N4G to pick up the false rumor Rangers :p It is only fun mocking such sites because based on the current round of rumors they either are making things up OR MS has taken my signature seriously and decided to flame the fans with a lot of false stuff...

    Unless...

    We are getting a console with and without a Blu Ray drive and it has ARM, PPC, and x64 chips! It will have 8GB of memory but a lowly AMD Radeon HD 6670 class GPU. It will somehow be smaller and cheaper than the 360 and will perform a miracle launch in 2012 AND 2013--probably because the 2012 model will be recalled due to crazy defect issues caused by the heat generated from so many different CPUs in one box!

    I could be remembering wrong but with the 360 we knew there were contracts with ATI and IBM but it really was the block diagram (that turned out to be correct) leaked and published by TeamXbox that got the ball rolling which really set legit parameters for what we were looking at.
     
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