New Nintendo Trademarks

[London Geezer]

No I'm saying it wouldn't be as different from what we have today other than MS being in the picture and SEGA being out of the picture...

Errrmmm that is quite different then... To say the least...

Different in terms of market size?

Regardless MS being in the picture while SEGA being out of the picture can be viewed as good or bad. What do YOU think? Afterall that's what SONY created.

Thing is, MS wouldn't have entered the market. Sega would have gone bankrupt anyway, cause they just had no money left. So yes, the market would not be the same, in temrs of size, public asseptance, livingroom thing, coolness factor, number of competitors in the market, number of games, budget of those games.
Everything would be different.
No one wants a monopoly, and let me say, Nintendo would be the LAST one i'd want to be in that position.

 

[PC-Engine]

Cross pad, select, start, 4 action buttons with four different colors, and should buttons.

Well shoulder buttons are the only valid point, saying that they copied cross pad, or 4 action buttons is ridiculous.

How is that rediculous? Which home console before the SNES had 4 action buttons arranged in a diamond configuration with four different colors? Heck SONY even copied the X letter. Which console before Nintendo had a cross pad?

Sega would have gone bankrupt anyway, cause they just had no money left.

Um without SONY and the PS1 everyone would have bought a Saturn then DC. SEGA would not have needed to lower the price so soon. How would that cause them to go BK?

 

[DuckThor Evil]

How is that rediculous? Which home console before the SNES had 4 action buttons arranged in a diamond configuration with four different colors? Heck SONY even copied the X/Y letters. Which console before Nintendo had a cross pad?

Sony doesn't use letters, they use square, circle, cross and triangle. Sonys cross pad is different than Nintendos, but I was thinking that all d-pads are basically the same. There are lot's of similarities, and surely some of the Snes controllers strong points are found in the ps1 one controller, but also Gamecube controller has borrowed stuff from others. What difference does it make anyway.

 

[PC-Engine]

How is that rediculous? Which home console before the SNES had 4 action buttons arranged in a diamond configuration with four different colors? Heck SONY even copied the X/Y letters. Which console before Nintendo had a cross pad?

Sony doesn't use letters, they use square, circle, cross and triangle. Sonys cross pad is different than Nintendos, but I was thinking that all d-pads are basically the same. There are lot's of similarities, and surely some of the Snes controllers strong points are found in the ps1 one controller, but also Gamecube controller has borrowed stuff from others. What difference does it make anyway.

A D pad is not the same as a + pad. SONY went with the + pad.

BTW X is not a shape, it's a letter. Square, circle, triangle are shapes.

GCN controller doesn't really copy anybody except from their own controller design.

 

[rabidrabbit]

Circle is also not a shape, it's also a letter.

 

[PC-Engine]

Circle is also not a shape, it's also a letter.

Circle could be a shape or letter.

 

[London Geezer]

u mean square and triangle aint letters????!!!

 

[rabidrabbit]

No, it is a letter

O X

They are just letters, they are not shapes or symbols. They are letters.

 

[rabidrabbit]

Square is a person, it's not a shape either.
Triangle is something three people do in bed, it's no shape.

 

[London Geezer]

Square is a person, it's not a shape either.
Triangle is something three people do in bed, it's no shape.

I'm confused, i've always used triangle and square as letters. Not sure you can't use them on this website though. Works fine on Word.

 

[rabidrabbit]

That's because you're gay.

 

[London Geezer]

That's because you're gay.

But... u r too.

 

[rabidrabbit]

but I'm not confused.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

GCN controller doesn't really copy anybody except from their own controller design.

Well it has two analog sticks (Dual Shock) and triggers (Dreamcast).

 

[Ty]

Boy, seems I started a war when I simply commented that some here have downplayed the PSP's extra features and yet got down on their knees when the DS is expanding its feature-set. I say it's good for both as it simply increases the perceived value for both.

And I thought the video playback for the GBA was NOT from Nintendo but a 3rd party manufacturer - therefore the kudos for innovation should go to the latter, not the former.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

The Circle, Cross, Triangle and Square icons are 2D shapes with 1, 2, 3 and 4 lines respectively. The cross is thus not a letter X but a symmetrical 2 line geometry. No other 2 line geometry would suffice.

It is only a coincidence that this design is the same as the Latinised alphabet's letter X, just as the O is the same as a letter O, and the Triangle is similar to the greek alphabet's Delta.

Personally I think Sony's choice of labelling very clever, being independant of any alphabet and thus more 'global'.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

The Circle, Cross, Triangle and Square icons are 2D shapes with 1, 2, 3 and 4 lines respectively. The cross is thus not a letter X but a symmetrical 2 line geometry. No other 2 line geometry would suffice.

It is only a coincidence that this design is the same as the Latinised alphabet's letter X, just as the O is the same as a letter O, and the Triangle is similar to the greek alphabet's Delta.

Personally I think Sony's choice of labelling very clever, being independant of any alphabet and thus more 'global'.

And that wasn't copied from big N.

 

[Kolgar]

Why oh why can't the haters give Sony credit where it's clearly due?

Without Sony, there is NO WAY the market would have grown to the size and profitability that it has today.

Do you think Nintendo would have reached out to older demographics to expand the reach of our hobby? Even in the face of stiff competition, they're still reliant on Mario and Zelda and their candy-colored game worlds.

The fact is, no one but Sony had the vision and ambition to take video gaming beyond kid's console and into the realm of living room appliance.

They did tons of research, they figured out what consumers wanted, and they built the devices and the games to meet those demands.

Sony's success is simply the result of giving more people what they wanted - or even, in some cases, things they didn't even know they wanted.

We're all reaping the rewards as a result.

Yet some people are just so devoted to one company (ahem, Nintendo) that they simply refuse to acknowledge even a single thing that Sony has done. Amazing.

 

[jvd]

Without Sony, there is NO WAY the market would have grown to the size and profitability that it has today.

There is a way , the market was growing from the moment nintendo steped into the market. If it wasn't for nintendo the market would be dead. So its nintendo who is responsable for the size and profitability as if they never entered the market sony never would have .

The fact is, no one but Sony had the vision and ambition to take video gaming beyond kid's console and into the realm of living room appliance.

Sega , 3do and even whoever made turbo graphics 16 all did . They all made it more than just a kiddy console . They added cds which started to cross into the realm of the living room way before sony did .

Sony's success is simply the result of giving more people what they wanted - or even, in some cases, things they didn't even know they wanted.

Sony's success comes from doing what others were doing just slightly better or at better times .

Case in point sega gave gamers what they wanted years before sony even made it optional. They had a modem with the saturn for online gaming , Then with the dreamcast they built into the system. Its just that sony hit it at the right time , after sega did the ground work.

Yet some people are just so devoted to one company (ahem, Nintendo) that they simply refuse to acknowledge even a single thing that Sony has done. Amazing.

Becarefull on who your talking about , might make a fool of yourself

 

[Sonic]

SEGA stopped giving gamers what they wanted a long time ago, that's why they went th eway of the dodo.

Innovation can be a hard thing to judge in this industry and just about any industry. The video game industry is no exception and often times harder to perceive. What one definens innovation another may scoff at and say otherwise.

I think we can all agree that The Nintendo DS is an innovative piece of technology. Having two screens is pretty sweet, but also factor in that it can be touched and interacted with opens up a whole slew of possibilities. Whether these features turn into gimmicks or have actual use is up to Nintendo and 3rd party developers. The potential is there, and that in itself is innovative.

There used to be a quote, or still is, in Simon F's sig at the end of his post. It went something like this: "Your work is both good and original. Unfortunately the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good." - Samuel Johnson

This quote always stuck out at me for some reason.