videos of Next-Gen Sonic, AfterBurner, Virtua Fighter, HotD
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The games look great -- the kind of effort Sega Sammy like to put into their own proprietary systems. They've been working with well-developed PowerVR prototype hardware longer than the next generation consoles. The Sonic demo ran at full speed and was actually played during the presentation -- a strange thing to look so good and complete when every real-time X360 game was running on ~30% hardware. The game was being played with a SEGA Saturn controller. No specific console target was labeled; the presentation was simply a next-generation Sega Sammy demonstration entitled 'Sega's Next Level'. They said the games were running on an undisclosed "hardware" as opposed to "console". They said the games were coming sooner than expected, and SEGA wouldn't likely be talking about a surprise X360 launch nor trying to differentiate between PS3 and some X360 exclusivity deal.
How was the anti-aliasing?
How was the anti-aliasing?
amk said:Even assuming Spong isn't talking rubbish, there's no reason to conclude the demos are on the PowerVR arcade machine. PS3 and X360 will surely have arcade versions - perhaps Gamespy and Spong are both correct, and VF5 and HOTD were on X360 arcade hardware?TEXAN said:
Anyway, I think they're both wrong. Clearly Chrome Hounds is running on the next gen N-Gage
No, there shall be no arcade hardware based on home consoles this time around -
http://www.imgtec.com/News/Release/index.asp?ID=194
TEXAN said:
Sure. I mean it's easy for Sega to do something that it probably won't be done on any other architecture (PC or consoles) for 5 years or more.
Why are ATI and NVIDIA still in business i wonder!!
PC-Engine said:
Yeah.. but 16xMSAA? For free? I'll believe it when i see it. Many times. Less expensive, probably. Free? Nothing's free.
That's not true london-boy. Lot's of things are free.
The Saturn pad is the best controller ever for fighting games period. No more arguments over that.
Speaking of Virtua Fighter 3 Team Battle, it is a botched port that has quite a few glitches. It's an excellent title in its own right but does not come close to the Model 3 version. The graphics are slightly worse in some areas and better than others. The fluidity of movement isn't the same and there are a lot of changes. The port was not what I expect in a home version of one of the greatest fighting games of all time. If someone wants to compare then let me know.
jvd, I am surprised at you. You sound like you love the Virtua Fighter series. And if you are an avid player then you would know that an arcade pad is really the only way to go and not a controller.
The Saturn pad is the best controller ever for fighting games period. No more arguments over that.
Speaking of Virtua Fighter 3 Team Battle, it is a botched port that has quite a few glitches. It's an excellent title in its own right but does not come close to the Model 3 version. The graphics are slightly worse in some areas and better than others. The fluidity of movement isn't the same and there are a lot of changes. The port was not what I expect in a home version of one of the greatest fighting games of all time. If someone wants to compare then let me know.
jvd, I am surprised at you. You sound like you love the Virtua Fighter series. And if you are an avid player then you would know that an arcade pad is really the only way to go and not a controller.
Activating MSAA on ATi or NVidia hardware hits performance as the subpixels consume bandwidth. On a TBDR, the MS subpixels can be kept in on-chip tile cache, so activating MSAA does not hit performace. Presumably this is what PowerVR MBX's FSAA4Free does.london-boy said:
It is not, of course, free in terms of transistors.
IMHO free 16x RGMS on PowerVR S5 is at least possible even if very unlikely. It would certainly comprehensively eliminate jaggies, as can be seen in pages 4 and 5 of Beyond3D's Wildcat III and SuperScene AA review. [Edit: SuperScene AA is stochastic, not rotated grid. Well, close enough.]
Sonic said:
I know i know i was gonna edit that. But 16x AA for free is just not free. Something's gotta give somewhere down the line.
No, that isn't free. Well, at least not in terms of performance. We still have a long way to go with features such as AA when we will be able to truly eliminate jaggies. I'm dissapointed with the current level of ATI cards when it comes to FSAA. That could be because I'm a big fan of 8x and higher, especially when it is usable in some type of 3d form.
I do , i have the saturn arcade pads that i use on my dc . I don't own a ps2 so i don't own any pads for it (neither does my sister )
Well l-b how much does an arcade board cost ? 10 grand ? 5 grand ? How much more is that than a console ? So is it hard to assume that if the x360 can do 4x fsaa for almost free that a console that costs many many times more than a console and costs more than double that of a high end pc can't do it ?
I don't think 16x but I can see them easily doing a 8x or a hybrid just fine
jvd:
Even at the same cost, a TBDLR processor could have better anti-aliasing than a conventional processor because it moves intensive operations like sampling off of both the off-chip bus and the framebuffer. Even ATi's Smart 3D Memory approach only does the former but not the latter.
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So these demo's were running on a modified dual core G5 system...
jvd said:
Arcade boards might cost the arcade owner that much, but the board itself does not cost that much to produce, not even close, like Sonic said.
Well then you agree with me.
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