Tomb Raider exclusivity fallout thread *spawn

[eastmen]

You don't see PS4 owners crying about any of the X1 exclusive DLCs for CoD, The Division, etc.

With cod its a 1 month timed dlc , not a 12 month timed dlc . Also Destiny also has content shipped on the disc not avalible on xbox one.

Out of the box the ps4 verision of destiny has an exclusive competitive multiplayer map , strike mission and expanded arsenal and it will be unavalible for the xbox one for no less than a year that's before any dlc .

LIke I said , I rather not get robbed of $60 bucks for a copy of the game missing content than miss out on a single game

 

[BRiT]

Merged in all the misplaced posts about exclusivity butthurt crying from the Microsoft Exclusive Rise of the Tomb Raider thread.

 

[eastmen]

Those are true partnership deals, ie games that were always planned to be exclusive. Much like Ryse or Scalebound on XB1. Not planned multiplatform games that are bought. This game was listed as a MP game up until E3. This was not a partnership deal, it was simply bought and stolen by M$.

No man sky was to launch on the pc also. Now the pc is delayed and is launching first on the ps4. Sounds like the same thing that's happening with Tomb raider

 

[messyman]

I disagree with you on this. I don't think it matters that previous games were multi-platform.

I do agree on DLC. People used to complain about exclusive dlc, but that battle has been lost. It's not really equivalent anyways. I can't think of a game that was a massively gimped game without the dlc. Destiny will have a massive amount of content on Xbox One, and will be worth the money for the people who are into that kind of game. Exclusive DLC for PS4 is not the same as having a full title exclusive.

There's a massive difference. Especially the fact that the Definitive Edition came out not too long ago and almost sold 2:1 on the PS4.
And to add insult to injury, SE complained about the original TR not meeting expectations, and they go ahead and do this boneheaded move. Who wouldn't be upset with this news?

 

[Cyan]

I don't see how people can accept literally locking fully funded third party games to a single platform, ones that had multiplatform prequels. Is that really what you expect out of the industry? Buying entire game franchises and locking them away from a majority of consumers because you have the dollar signs?

"Oh but there are plenty of third party exclusive games around" They aren't all created the same, this is probably the only example i've ever witnessed where something like this has happened. And yet people accept it as business like they were family with the CEO's of these companies. maybe its just me

Yes, very unfortunate such an evil company like Micro$oft are bringing games to its userbase and not to other companies, quite deplorable on their part to fund projects or buy companies that are in complex financial situations ...

Maybe the world is wrong, we should smoke the Native American peace pipe and don't have exclusives anymore.

Anyways, the library that the Xbox One is building is incredible. They are truly humbling the competition. I find it to be awesome.

Wow, I couldn't make it past the 2 minute mark. I'm sure he's hamming it up a bit for laughs(hopefully) and as click bait. I'd rather it's entirely those two things than him actually being that upset. I'd be ashamed if someone caught me ranting like that on film.

I just can't stand him and his attitude.

Plus when he cried when Youtube started to send copyright strikes months ago, I felt disappointed -I was a week long subscriber, because he was popular, I thought he'd be good- for his lack of vision, when it was obvious that nothing would happen in the long run, despite rumours.

Ranting predictably is talentless, at least he could make it fun to watch.

 

[messyman]

No man sky was to launch on the pc also. Now the pc is delayed and is launching first on the ps4. Sounds like the same thing that's happening with Tomb raider

I don't remember No Man's Sky having PS4 and PC simultaneous releases to begin with.

 

[Cyan]

Funny when TR: DE sold 2x more on PS4.

Also, at E3, MS said something along the lines of, "along with our exclusive lineup, we showed games such as Rise of the Tomb Raider, Call of Duty AW etc.,", so clearly MS bought this from SE/CD fairly recently. Partnership my ass.

edit: This is so fitting too.

Obviously a joke. It will still sell moderately well on XB1 (and X360?) but this hurts the franchise IMO.

@djskribbles, in my opinion, the PS4 sales can be deceiving and are not that special 'cos of the reasons explained below.

Actually, the game sold better in a console -PS4- with a lacklustre library compared to the Xbox One, which had back then much more games, and a more varied, stronger library.

Xbox One users just had more to choose from, so it didn't sell that well on it.

It sold relatively well on the PS4, of course, plus the enhanced graphics did help, I think, but with those sales they aren't missing it much, especially when Titanfall sold a lot better as an exclusive, to name a game.

 

[djskribbles]

I don't remember No Man's Sky having PS4 and PC simultaneous releases to begin with.

They did announce a PC version, but they never gave release dates on either platform. Except that it would be coming to PS4 first. Similar situation I suppose, but to be fair, Hello Games is a tiny indie studio.

@djskribbles, in my opinion, the PS4 sales can be deceiving and are not that special 'cos of the reasons explained below.

Actually, the game sold better in a console -PS4- with a lacklustre library compared to the Xbox One, which had back then much more games, and a more varied, stronger library.

Xbox One users just had more to choose from, so it didn't sell that well on it.

It sold relatively well on the PS4, of course, plus the enhanced graphics did help, I think, but with those sales they aren't missing it much, especially when Titanfall sold a lot better as an exclusive, to name a game.

Thanks for giving your opinion on which system you think had the better lineup, but I fail to see the relevance? It's not like the XB1 had a very good lineup back in January either. Ryse, Forza 5, KI and...?

Nothing is deceiving. The PS4 had a much bigger install base and thus sold way more copies. Just like every other multiplatform title. And Tomb Raider has traditionally sold well on PS because PS helped launch the franchise to popularity. Those are the reasons why TR DE sold 2x more on PS4... not because of what other software was available.

 

[Scott_Arm]

There's a massive difference. Especially the fact that the Definitive Edition came out not too long ago and almost sold 2:1 on the PS4.
And to add insult to injury, SE complained about the original TR not meeting expectations, and they go ahead and do this boneheaded move. Who wouldn't be upset with this news?

What's the massive difference? TR: Definitive Edition is a different game. If you paid to play that game, you're entitled to play that game and that game only. The new game is a different product.

I really don't see why a studio can't make a formerly multiplatform game an exclusive. Yeah, it sucks for the people that can't play it, but the studio is running a business. People's livelihoods depend on it. They have a responsibility to their employees and their investors to do what makes the most sense, financially. Gamers talk about paid exclusives as if it's criminal bribery, implying some kind of nefarious and inappropriate transaction. That's completely counter to reality. Yes, it's a bribe, but so is tipping a waiter. That doesn't make it bad. The negative connotation of the word does not apply in this case. Businesses do not exist to hand out charity. They're there to provide you with goods and services. If you like it, buy it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you can't buy it for some reason, but an equivalent. That's all there is to it. They don't owe you anything (except maybe a warranty) because you've purchased from them before. Your transaction is over.

Now, I'm not sure I understand how going MS exclusive makes any kind of financial sense either. It seems fairly obvious that they've cut themselves out of a huge market of gamers, so there must have been a good reason for doing it. My personal guess is they projected their sales would be shit on PS4 because of Uncharted, so they decided to take easy money from Microsoft and hopefully get the promotion they need to sell well to that market on X1 and 360.

They may be underestimating the gaming community's immature angry entitlement-syndrome. There is nothing more powerful than a gamers sense of what is owed to them by the universe. I don't like exclusives. I wish everyone could play everything. That doesn't make exclusives, in any case, ethically or morally wrong.

 

[djskribbles]

To speak for myself, I'm not so much pissed at SE, but at MS for potentially stealing a game from me like they have in the past. It stings a bit, but I'll live.

From the sounds of it, it appears to be a timed exclusive deal, since they could not confirm that it is a full exclusive. If so, then it doesn't really bother me as much.

 

[Scott_Arm]

To speak for myself, I'm not so much pissed at SE, but at M$ for potentially stealing a game from me like they have in the past. It stings a bit, but I'll live.

From the sounds of it, it appears to be a timed exclusive deal, since they could not confirm that it is a full exclusive. If so, then it doesn't really bother me as much.

But how are they "stealing" it? What is fundamentally wrong with Microsoft paying for exclusivity other than you want to play the game and now you can't? Explain to me what ethical line has been crossed?

 

[rokkerkory]

To speak for myself, I'm not so much pissed at SE, but at M$ for potentially stealing a game from me like they have in the past. It stings a bit, but I'll live.

From the sounds of it, it appears to be a timed exclusive deal, since they could not confirm that it is a full exclusive. If so, then it doesn't really bother me as much.

You are a senior member and you're using this? Really?

Sounds like it stung you more than you thought.

Back on point, I really hope it's timed exclusive and not full exclusive nonsense. They are being coy about it so I'd bet the former.

 

[djskribbles]

But how are they "stealing" it? What is fundamentally wrong with Microsoft paying for exclusivity other than you want to play the game and now you can't? Explain to me what ethical line has been crossed?

They're stealing it because it was clearly planned to be a MP game from the start, and up until E3, it was. That is until MS threw a bag of money SE's way to prevent PS owners from playing it.

You are a senior member and you're using this? Really?

Sounds like it stung you more than you thought.

Back on point, I really hope it's timed exclusive and not full exclusive nonsense. They are being coy about it so I'd bet the former.

Hah, normally I don't use the money sign when referring to Microsoft. Admittedly that is immature and childish, but so fitting.

edit: Since I received an infraction for the $, I will remove it.

 

[Silent_Buddha]

To speak for myself, I'm not so much pissed at SE, but at M$ for potentially stealing a game from me like they have in the past. It stings a bit, but I'll live.

From the sounds of it, it appears to be a timed exclusive deal, since they could not confirm that it is a full exclusive. If so, then it doesn't really bother me as much.

I'm guessing you're also really really angry at Nintendo for making Bayonetta 2 an exlcusive when it was multiplatform?

Not to mention being angry at Sony not allowing a multiplatform developer (Quantic Dream, PC, Xbox, Playstation) to make a PC version of their game once they signed up to make a PS console exclusive? That one especially burned for me as they made one of the best PC adventure games in Indigo Prophecy (or Fahrenheit depending on your region). And even more so when many of the fans on PC were teased about the next adventure game coming out on PC, except as soon as a partnership was announed with Sony, the PC version halted development and disappeared.

That one still burns me to this day as I was greatly looking forward to their next adventure game on PC.

Yeah it can certainly be a painful experience when the games you used to play on your platform (like Final Fantasy/Nintendo) are no longer available on that platform because X console maker made them exlcusive for their console (like Final Fantasy/Playstation).

All the console makers do this at some point or other for strategic reasons. Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, etc. If you are going to hate Microsoft for doing it, you should also hate Nintendo and Sony.

But I'm over that stuff. Things happen, I don't let it get to me. I play what I can, and don't play whatever I can't and move on. Life is too good to worry about the little inconsequential things like this. Although I felt differently when I was younger, so I can understand.

Regards,
SB

 

[temesgen]

TR will likely be a timed exclusive, how many times have we seen only on Xbox and later on its on competing platforms? I really don't care, I played TR on PS3 for free due to PSN+ and thought it was a decent game. I will probably get it at some point when it does come out on PS4 but in the meanwhile I won't be hurting for things to play, there are plenty of great titles keep me busy.

 

[Scott_Arm]

They're stealing it because it was clearly planned to be a MP game from the start, and up until E3, it was. That is until MS threw a bag of money SE's way to prevent PS owners from playing it.

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Ok, explain to me why it is wrong to "steal" a game by "throwing a bag of money" SE's way to prevent PS owners from playing it? What moral, ethical boundaries are crossed? Then explain why it isn't wrong for Sony, MS to buy smaller studios or release 1st or 2nd party exclusives. I'd like to hear at least one person explain it in a thoughtful manner. And I don't mean just telling me why you don't like it, or why you don't think it's fair. I want it explained why it is WRONG. Outrage can't follow simple disappointment.

 

[djskribbles]

I'm guessing you're also really really angry at Nintendo for making Bayonetta 2 an exlcusive when it was multiplatform?

No, because I don't care about Bayonetta. I do care about TR since I enjoyed it on both PS3 and PS4, hence why I'm actually partaking in the discussion. If I did like Bayonetta, I would be with the other Bayonetta fans... pissed off that Nintendo bought it.

All the console makers do this at some point or other for strategic reasons. Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, etc. If you are going to hate Microsoft for doing it, you should also hate Nintendo and Sony.

IMO, Sony and Nintendo seldom do this, because they don't need to. MS has the weakest first-party team of the group. And I know I'm not alone when I say that.

But I'm over that stuff. Things happen, I don't let it get to me. I play what I can, and don't play whatever I can't and move on. Life is too good to worry about the little inconsequential things like this. Although I felt differently when I was younger, so I can understand.

Regards,
SB

I agree. Like I said, it stings, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I just gave my opinion on the subject and now i'm defending it.

 

[-tkf-]

3rd party exclusives is simply money talking and can be like pissing in the pants to keep warm.

Tomb raider will loose a million sized audience, go head to head against a real exclusive AAA title and when the 3rd is ready for prime time might have lost some magic. I hope they made a deal for this generation or it could back fire.

 

[Nisaaru]

Besides Angry Joe doing his entertaining thing do we even know if the game could be produced without this money injection? Wasn't Square Enix in financial trouble?

 

[eastmen]

Besides Angry Joe doing his entertaining thing do we even know if the game could be produced without this money injection? Wasn't Square Enix in financial trouble?

their mmorpg from ff and mobile games are both making money so in their latest quarter they posted nice profits. however we all know how fickle mobile and mmorpgs can be and I belive they posted heavy losses in previous years