Michellstar
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Yes i believe so, the only thing that I find hard to grasp, it's that this holidays the push was VR VR and VR , and introducing another sku.would complicate things
If they manage to do it, my hat's off to sony
Middle Generation Console Upgrade Discussion [Scorpio, 4Pro]
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If they manage to do it, my hat's off to sony
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What kind of hat?
Michellstar
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A tin foil hat.
Do we wear other types at B3? Lol
Silent_Buddha
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Phil stated they could have had a more powerful console than XBO for Holiday 2016, but they wanted to hit 6 TFOPs (due to developer feedback), and that wasn't possible for Holiday 2016. I believe Fallout VR was stated as one example where they would need 6 TFOPs.
I'm guessing they could have had something similar to PS4 NEO with a Polaris based GPU for 2016 if they'd wanted, but they took a pass on that.
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SB
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There's no rule that they need to match any specific discrete GPU, and we do not have a full picture of what is in the IP pool(s) this time around.
The current gen console GPUs are lumped into the same IP pool as GCN 1.1 or (GCN2), but they have obvious differences and custom elements.
We could take each console maker's current IP level, current IP+customization, Polaris, Polaris+customization, GCN3, GCN3+customization, Vega, Vega+customization, and try mixing and matching scenarios.
The current gen console GPUs are lumped into the same IP pool as GCN 1.1 or (GCN2), but they have obvious differences and custom elements.
We could take each console maker's current IP level, current IP+customization, Polaris, Polaris+customization, GCN3, GCN3+customization, Vega, Vega+customization, and try mixing and matching scenarios.
It's a reasonable assumption to make, but AFAIK we don't have any actual evidence that is the case.
or people just could buy a 4K TV.
TV LED 40" - Samsung, UHD 4K, HDR, Flat. 688€ (529£ UK)
http://tiendas.mediamarkt.es/p/tv-led-40-samsung-40ku6000-uhd-4k-h-1324312
http://www.rgbdirect.co.uk/Products/Television/LED-TV/SAMSUNG/UE40KU6000
I'd read this article before buying a new TV:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/ultra-hd-premium
http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/ultra-hd-premium
I agree. A 40" TV is about bedroom size, not living or rec room size.
Silent_Buddha
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At 40", unless it's being used similar to a monitor (IE - just sitting 2-3 feet away) I'd rather have a 1080p set and downscale 4K content for free SSAA. Hell, 40" in a typical living room? I'd go for a 720p set and downscale for some really high quality free SSAA. 1080p is mostly wasted at that size. But I don't think you can even buy 720p TV sets anymore.
Regards,
SB
Regards,
SB
BTW, seems there's no perfect place to put this but, doesn't Scorpio/Neo mean the end of "too the metal" coding? Dont they basically have to go Direct X only now?
And, it seems to me like it's not a big loss and wasn't being used anyway. I guess over time as hardware got more powerful and complex, the benefits of low level coding got less and less, in relation to effort expended. You probably optimize more at almost a high level, flowchart, focus on memory optimization, level now, and that's where the big gains are.
And, it seems to me like it's not a big loss and wasn't being used anyway. I guess over time as hardware got more powerful and complex, the benefits of low level coding got less and less, in relation to effort expended. You probably optimize more at almost a high level, flowchart, focus on memory optimization, level now, and that's where the big gains are.
wondering how it would you work for you if you played games relatively close to the TV. Most of the 4K TV sets I've seen IRL weren't large at all, I mean, not larger than 48" or so. The detail was very crisp anyways, looking close to them. At which distance from the TV do you usually play?
Anarchist4000
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That's a lot of sales, but it may depend on the market. China for instance would have a lot of potential users, but are likely far more price conscious than Western markets. That may work for hardware sales, but I'm not sure how well games from Western developers transfer into that market.And 13m sounds like a lot but a metric ton of those 'VR capable PCs' are going to include PCs which are not used for VR, or even for gaming. Let me know when a PC VR-only game sells more than a million copies. 500,000 will be impressive. Having aspirations of 100m is great but again, many of those will be machines not used for gaming but for CAD, rendering or Photoshop because more GPU power is how to make Photoshop faster.
It wouldn't be surprising if pictures were withheld as nobody knows the approximate size of Vega last I checked. Not sure it would matter at this point, but the size likely corresponds to one of the upcoming Vega chips. XB1 also had that ESRAM which might be interesting to design around. With the capacities required for 4k/VR that would likely look more like a single stack of HBM. Zen to my understanding was designed around a MCM, so it seems likely Scorpio would be CPU+GPU+at least one stack of HBM.
I doubt GDDR5X will be completely abandoned in the Vega lineup. HBM2 will be for their most expensive models in their lineup. The cost of HBM2 will still be quite expensive in 2017 late. Cheaper HBM1 cannot even be momentarily considered for Scorpio because of its 4GB memory limit.
GDDR5X currently reaches 10Gbps per pin but there JEDEC roadmap plans over the next few years to roll out 12Gbps, 14Gbps and eventually 16Gbps per pin modules.
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Just did some simple math, fyi a 40CU polaris (with 2560 shader cores) can reach the 6 TFLOP number if it is clocked at 1.17Ghz, which we still don't know what sort of temps and power draw it's reaching to do that (stock RX480 is running at 1.266Ghz). This seems more plausible to me rather than the Vega simply because both the CPU and GPU have to be crammed in a single soc and the bigger die usually means more heat + more space + higher power draw, three things you want to avoid when building a console.
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