Middle Generation Console Upgrade Discussion [Scorpio, 4Pro]
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shredenvain
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I'm honestly doubtful about the true benefits of 4k in gaming period including PC. Temporal AA solutions are doing a really good job at eliminating the majority of aliasing issues in titles that bother implementing it.
Sure the IQ at 4k can be beautiful, but I think gaming as a whole would benefit from using the resources (Shader ALU, bandwidth) to deliver game worlds that truly feel alive.
I may be alone on this but why spend the cash on a Titan X just to run a title at 4k 60 fps? If the Ps4Pro and Scorpio focused on better looking game experiences instead of higher resolutions then PC gamers with mid to high end cards would get useful performance from their rigs as well.
Since the discussion of mid-gen upgrades began months ago, the general forum consensus was reached that Scorpio is not a next gen system because it doesn't have exclusive software. However 32x had exclusive software. However it seems appropriate that it should be a mid-gen upgrade because it was an addon, and only offered limited hardware improvements paling far below the next gen of hardware like Sega Saturn and PS1. To me this represent an personal existential crisis and dilemma.
Err, I thought it meant those consumer survey things that ya know, we assume corporations do. And whatever other metrics that entails.
"Do you intend to purchase Project Scorpio/PSVR/Nintendo Switch/whatever in the next 12 months Y/N" type surveys. Purchase intent by consumers. Judged by some sort of polling sample of course.
I think Nielson does surveys that are posted from time to time on Neogaf about "purchase intent" for upcoming holiday software.
Yes, sorry, this is what I meant.
Mines very quiet (touches wood) - got it at launch and only just beginning to hear it.
They could reduce power consumption by redesigning a few things (like from PS4 1000 to 1100) or even using memory having smaller node (like PS4 1100 to 1200). That could reduce the noise.
ProspectorPete
Regular
With the 32X, people knew the PlayStation and Saturn were right around the corner.
With Scorpio, nobody knows if PS5 will show up in Q3 2018 (10TF Zen+Vega) or years later.. I have been told Marky Cern is really busy these days, so.... who knows
With Scorpio, nobody knows if PS5 will show up in Q3 2018 (10TF Zen+Vega) or years later.. I have been told Marky Cern is really busy these days, so.... who knows
Tkumpathenurple
Veteran
I think we can safely assume that the PS5 won't launch next year.
I think it's safe to assume we won't see a PS5 until 2019 at absolute minimum.
Tkumpathenurple
Veteran
I expect it will launch Christmas 2019: too soon for Microsoft to launch another Xbox, and as much time from the launch of the PS4Pro as there was from PS4 to PS4Pro.
Then MS releases the following year.
2 years of Ms being most powerful
1 year of Sony.
Rinse and repeat.
Not that I think Sony needs to release as soon as that personally.
I think their doing just fine, and will after Scorpio's release, so I don't see why they would bring their gen to a finish so soon.
If Scorpio starts to crush them, then they can think of releasing earlier, but just how much would they need to be crushed to feel under so much pressure, they have a good size market share as it is.
I said 2019 at absolute min but I don't think it will be that soon. Sony has said they still believe in "generations" so I think it will be at least 2020/21 before they could release something with enough of a leap.
Yes, previously I thought things might be aligning similar to this - but maybe a slightly more even gap - say every 2 years MS and Sony release consoles between each other meaning both can enjoy bragging rights and new hardware launches without treading on each others toes and 'worrying' about face-offs (as naturally the most resent console will be the most powerful).
The problem with this is that the progress of technological innovation isn't happening at an even pace, so keeping to a set schedule like that doesn't really work. I think the PS4 Pro and Scorpio were enabled by the process shrink making them viable and the platform holders being willing to break the existing paradigm to take advantage of it. Who knows how long it will be before the stars align to the degree that a new "generation" of products makes sense again? Especially since the mid generation upgrades were, IMO, also enabled by the original products being timed poorly relative to the progress of the technology behind them (not timed poorly according to the market, obviously).
Michellstar
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7nm EUV >2019
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