Middle Generation Console Upgrade Discussion [Scorpio, 4Pro]

Discussion in 'Console Industry' started by mpg1, May 25, 2016.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. MrFox

    MrFox Deludedly Fantastic
    Legend Veteran

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2012
    Messages:
    5,423
    Likes Received:
    3,928
    Why would they have a slim revision only 12 months after launch?

    A move from 16ff+ to the new 16ffc would provide lower consumption. Is this possible or is 16ffc only for mobile chips?
     
    #3561 MrFox, Mar 27, 2017
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2017
  2. BRiT

    BRiT (╯°□°)╯
    Moderator Legend Alpha Subscriber

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2002
    Messages:
    12,380
    Likes Received:
    8,598
    Location:
    Cleveland
    Maybe they're trying to get rid of the junk in the trunk?
     
    Pixel likes this.
  3. MrFox

    MrFox Deludedly Fantastic
    Legend Veteran

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2012
    Messages:
    5,423
    Likes Received:
    3,928
    An ODD-less SKU would attract people with very little space, maybe PC gamers jumping to consoles need purity. But it doesn't add up to anything substantial to shave off the BOM. I still think this would be a psp-go situation. Shooting themselves in the foot.
     
  4. shredenvain

    Regular

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2013
    Messages:
    921
    Likes Received:
    189
    Location:
    Somewhere in southern U.S.
    I'm honestly doubtful about the true benefits of 4k in gaming period including PC. Temporal AA solutions are doing a really good job at eliminating the majority of aliasing issues in titles that bother implementing it.
    Sure the IQ at 4k can be beautiful, but I think gaming as a whole would benefit from using the resources (Shader ALU, bandwidth) to deliver game worlds that truly feel alive.
    I may be alone on this but why spend the cash on a Titan X just to run a title at 4k 60 fps? If the Ps4Pro and Scorpio focused on better looking game experiences instead of higher resolutions then PC gamers with mid to high end cards would get useful performance from their rigs as well.
     
  5. bunge

    Regular Newcomer

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2014
    Messages:
    725
    Likes Received:
    513
    Since we're talking about mid-generation upgrades, is this the right thread to discuss the Sega 32x?
     
    Pixel likes this.
  6. Pixel

    Regular

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2013
    Messages:
    981
    Likes Received:
    437
    Since the discussion of mid-gen upgrades began months ago, the general forum consensus was reached that Scorpio is not a next gen system because it doesn't have exclusive software. However 32x had exclusive software. However it seems appropriate that it should be a mid-gen upgrade because it was an addon, and only offered limited hardware improvements paling far below the next gen of hardware like Sega Saturn and PS1. To me this represent an personal existential crisis and dilemma.
     
    dobwal and bunge like this.
  7. BRiT

    BRiT (╯°□°)╯
    Moderator Legend Alpha Subscriber

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2002
    Messages:
    12,380
    Likes Received:
    8,598
    Location:
    Cleveland
    I'd try to keep Retro/Historical discussions in separate thread(s). Feel free to start such a retro thread.
     
  8. Rangers

    Legend

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2006
    Messages:
    12,322
    Likes Received:
    1,120

    Err, I thought it meant those consumer survey things that ya know, we assume corporations do. And whatever other metrics that entails.

    "Do you intend to purchase Project Scorpio/PSVR/Nintendo Switch/whatever in the next 12 months Y/N" type surveys. Purchase intent by consumers. Judged by some sort of polling sample of course.

    I think Nielson does surveys that are posted from time to time on Neogaf about "purchase intent" for upcoming holiday software.
     
    BRiT likes this.
  9. goonergaz

    Veteran

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2005
    Messages:
    3,082
    Likes Received:
    737
    Yes, sorry, this is what I meant.

    Mines very quiet (touches wood) - got it at launch and only just beginning to hear it.
     
  10. Globalisateur

    Globalisateur Globby
    Veteran Regular

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2013
    Messages:
    2,895
    Likes Received:
    1,626
    Location:
    France
    They could reduce power consumption by redesigning a few things (like from PS4 1000 to 1100) or even using memory having smaller node (like PS4 1100 to 1200). That could reduce the noise.
     
  11. ProspectorPete

    Regular Newcomer

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2017
    Messages:
    414
    Likes Received:
    137
    With the 32X, people knew the PlayStation and Saturn were right around the corner.

    With Scorpio, nobody knows if PS5 will show up in Q3 2018 (10TF Zen+Vega) or years later.. I have been told Marky Cern is really busy these days, so.... who knows
     
  12. Tkumpathenurpahl

    Veteran Newcomer

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2016
    Messages:
    1,035
    Likes Received:
    770
    I think we can safely assume that the PS5 won't launch next year.
     
  13. mpg1

    Veteran Newcomer

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2015
    Messages:
    1,526
    Likes Received:
    1,112
    I think it's safe to assume we won't see a PS5 until 2019 at absolute minimum.
     
    Tkumpathenurpahl likes this.
  14. mrcorbo

    mrcorbo Foo Fighter
    Veteran

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2004
    Messages:
    3,564
    Likes Received:
    1,981
    Yes, very busy. Knack 2's not going to make itself.

     
    BRiT and ProspectorPete like this.
  15. Tkumpathenurpahl

    Veteran Newcomer

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2016
    Messages:
    1,035
    Likes Received:
    770
    I expect it will launch Christmas 2019: too soon for Microsoft to launch another Xbox, and as much time from the launch of the PS4Pro as there was from PS4 to PS4Pro.
     
  16. Jay

    Jay
    Veteran Regular

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2013
    Messages:
    1,899
    Likes Received:
    1,061
    Then MS releases the following year.
    2 years of Ms being most powerful
    1 year of Sony.
    Rinse and repeat.
    Not that I think Sony needs to release as soon as that personally.
    I think their doing just fine, and will after Scorpio's release, so I don't see why they would bring their gen to a finish so soon.
    If Scorpio starts to crush them, then they can think of releasing earlier, but just how much would they need to be crushed to feel under so much pressure, they have a good size market share as it is.
     
    BRiT likes this.
  17. mpg1

    Veteran Newcomer

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2015
    Messages:
    1,526
    Likes Received:
    1,112
    I said 2019 at absolute min but I don't think it will be that soon. Sony has said they still believe in "generations" so I think it will be at least 2020/21 before they could release something with enough of a leap.
     
    RootKit and BRiT like this.
  18. goonergaz

    Veteran

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2005
    Messages:
    3,082
    Likes Received:
    737
    Yes, previously I thought things might be aligning similar to this - but maybe a slightly more even gap - say every 2 years MS and Sony release consoles between each other meaning both can enjoy bragging rights and new hardware launches without treading on each others toes and 'worrying' about face-offs (as naturally the most resent console will be the most powerful).
     
  19. mrcorbo

    mrcorbo Foo Fighter
    Veteran

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2004
    Messages:
    3,564
    Likes Received:
    1,981
    The problem with this is that the progress of technological innovation isn't happening at an even pace, so keeping to a set schedule like that doesn't really work. I think the PS4 Pro and Scorpio were enabled by the process shrink making them viable and the platform holders being willing to break the existing paradigm to take advantage of it. Who knows how long it will be before the stars align to the degree that a new "generation" of products makes sense again? Especially since the mid generation upgrades were, IMO, also enabled by the original products being timed poorly relative to the progress of the technology behind them (not timed poorly according to the market, obviously).
     
    Pixel likes this.
  20. Michellstar

    Regular Newcomer

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2013
    Messages:
    600
    Likes Received:
    307
    7nm EUV >2019
     
    Pixel and BRiT like this.
Loading...
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

  • About Us

    Beyond3D has been around for over a decade and prides itself on being the best place on the web for in-depth, technically-driven discussion and analysis of 3D graphics hardware. If you love pixels and transistors, you've come to the right place!

    Beyond3D is proudly published by GPU Tools Ltd.
Loading...