Only looks, it really isn't that big
Microsoft Xbox Reveal Event - May 21, 2013
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Only looks, it really isn't that big
Steam doesn't ask you to do that because you cannot resell or give away a steam game. I'm sure Microsoft and the game developers would be perfectly happy with the steam model, so I'd stop holding it up as the ideal you want them to strive for, unless you want your physical media to be useless once installed, with no chance of trade ins or resale.I am not in the battle, but sir, Harrison clearly said u have to be online every 24 hours even if u r playing SP. Even Steam doesn't ask me to do that, once I have bought a game I can safely go offlnie for months and keep playing the game. If this dDRM isn't draconian , then what is it ?
Its actually like mom and dad ! When a kid, although the expensive toy was mine, I had to ask mom before playing with it! See, MS is so family friendly !
RenegadeRocks
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Don't like it either. THats why I buy from Steam only during sales, which makes sure I pay for lesser than even a used game and don't feel the pain of not being able to sell it. When u r getting $60 games for $5 or $2.5 , u can't really sell it off anyway.
Please, just keep games the way they are. Ppl share, lend, resell and rent them, trying out and playing more games than they would if all were full priced. Gaming needs to spread, not curbed.
I really hope the EU will push (read: threaten to or actually require) platform holders to allow selling your licence. I think it would be a good improvement. I also wouldn't mind if they allow virtualisation of platforms after 5-10 years so that games you bought for them can still be played after that time, without stupid legal hassles being necessary for relicencing songs or whatever for new platforms.
I have a similar story to alot of xbox owners. I was a Sega console owner from the Saturn to Dreamcast before the decision by Sega to exit the hardware market. My jump was to xbox then and 360 after. I consider myself a 'hardcore gamer' and I am a graphics junkie. I expect the next gen of consoles to push the limits of hardware advances, like the consoles of old did. I dont care about tv, or fantasy football.
I am really gutted by MSs new xbox one. They have reduced the power of the box to allow them to include kinect up front. I dont want, nor have i ever used kinect. I do not want an always on microphone or camera on in my house. I dont want go have to check in online every 24 hours. I should be able to leave my console offline for months on end if I want. Then all the stupidness of the cant play used games without fee just rubs me up the wrong way badly.
If MS had produced a console of epic proportions, pushing 280tflops and 4k resolution, and then said to help reduce the cost of such a console they were going to not allow 2nd hand games to recoup some of the money they were loosing on the console I would actually accept it. But this is a gimmped console spec wise, and the ps4 while alot more powerful than xbox one, is still not powerfull for next gen in my eyes.
For the reasons above I just cannot support MS then next gen. I cant. I will wait to see what Sony does with ps4 with the eye, used games etc, and if it looks good then I will most likely get a ps4.
Now MS wont give a toss about me and my story, they will not miss me in the slightest. But I feel so dissapointed that all those expectations and hopes for the next xbox were in vain. While I was never a MS fanboy (i was a sega fanboy tho) i would have stuck with MS this gen if they had not of stuffed it so bad.
I am really gutted by MSs new xbox one. They have reduced the power of the box to allow them to include kinect up front. I dont want, nor have i ever used kinect. I do not want an always on microphone or camera on in my house. I dont want go have to check in online every 24 hours. I should be able to leave my console offline for months on end if I want. Then all the stupidness of the cant play used games without fee just rubs me up the wrong way badly.
If MS had produced a console of epic proportions, pushing 280tflops and 4k resolution, and then said to help reduce the cost of such a console they were going to not allow 2nd hand games to recoup some of the money they were loosing on the console I would actually accept it. But this is a gimmped console spec wise, and the ps4 while alot more powerful than xbox one, is still not powerfull for next gen in my eyes.
For the reasons above I just cannot support MS then next gen. I cant. I will wait to see what Sony does with ps4 with the eye, used games etc, and if it looks good then I will most likely get a ps4.
Now MS wont give a toss about me and my story, they will not miss me in the slightest. But I feel so dissapointed that all those expectations and hopes for the next xbox were in vain. While I was never a MS fanboy (i was a sega fanboy tho) i would have stuck with MS this gen if they had not of stuffed it so bad.
exactly!
they praised so much the design, but for me is like some bad ripoff of another product, and make look it like it's huge
I was thinking to be the only one to dislike the one
People comparing Steam to a console-centric, walled garden model forget that Steam is not the only content delivery platform available on PC: there is GoG, Amazon, Desura, etc...
People on PC are willing to part with their ability to resale used games only because, as you say, the prices are so good! But Steam Sales is driven by competition that can only exists in an open market.
That's exactly why I've been a happy Steam user since 2004 but I'm not willing to own a console that limits my freedom to trade, swap an resell to anyone my games.
Michellstar
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I thought so after watching the reveal, i don´t know why
Look at this shot, comparing the three devices (One gamepad is slightly smaller than 360)
Not that big
You really wouldn't want to spill any juice on the box. It looks like the venting is designed to make sure it would all run straight onto the MB. Not a console to have around children!
Michellstar
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This is the mobo
Between the external case and the mobo, does it have another enclosure?
This is the mobo
Between the external case and the mobo, does it have another enclosure?
It would have to have an RF shielding layer between the case and the MB. Unless of course they are using some form of Faraday caging built into the case. But this would still have vents for heat dissipation.
It's just that top surface venting is a bad idea, especially with small children!
People will also stack the console inside Tv/HiFi racks, thus reducing the effectiveness of the cooling solution. Microsoft shouldn't have made it a rectangular box that looks like every other piece of living room hi-tech.
Blazkowicz
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What? Please elaborate on that line of thinking because as a hi-tech living room household I find that statement to be ridiculous.
I guess that it looks rackable, but at the same time looks like it isn't.
The top venting isn't the best solution for a piece of hardware that is supposed to go between other pieces in a tight space.
That doesn't necessarily mean it will have a problem, just that it isn't the most common solution.
The top venting isn't the best solution for a piece of hardware that is supposed to go between other pieces in a tight space.
That doesn't necessarily mean it will have a problem, just that it isn't the most common solution.
DuckThor Evil
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Have you guys seen where the vents are in receivers?
At the top. Xbone exhausts air out from the top. It does not need much room on top of it to do that. However I would think most would put it as the top unit in a stack.
At the top. Xbone exhausts air out from the top. It does not need much room on top of it to do that. However I would think most would put it as the top unit in a stack.
The "core" gamer:
- wants games to be cheaper
- wants DLC to be free
- wants a minimum of 20 hours gameplay
- wants hardware pushed to the limit
- wants online services to be free
- doesn't understand why developers and publishers are going out of business
I thought so after watching the reveal, i don´t know why
Look at this shot, comparing the three devices (One gamepad is slightly smaller than 360)
Not that big
It's bigger than 360 slim. Maybe about the same as PS3 original and Xbox 360 original.
Also, on my cable box and my cable modem. For my setup, I have two devices which have no top-venting, my blu-ray player and my APC battery backup. To be honest though, now that disc-swapping is seemingly irrelevant, I don't know if it much matters where (separate from venting) the unit is placed. I imagine most of us with home theatre setups will be hard wiring, if not, then obviously WiFi signal is also important.
I think if you actually read the instructions of most equipment they generally say to leave ~10cm clearance around the sides and top of the units (especially if there are vents on the top).
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