Formula 1 - 2012 Season

[itsmydamnation]

Add Finland to the list, too, and probably others as well. I wouldn't be surprised if german drivers and/or commentators would agree, too, since it was so obvious breach.

add Australia to the list as well, we love nothing more then seeing a brit get his arse kicked as well ( the cricket has been great, ENG getting pummeled by RSA ).

I have yet to run into anyone who disagreed with the 20 penalty, he should happy it wasn't 25 seconds like we have seen a few times before.

 

[UniversalTruth]

Unfair advantage would be not sticking to the well-defined race track to allow you to take a corner faster.

Ok. I agree but that wasn't the case.
Vettel's decision to go off circuit, thus taking obviously the longer and slower path, have nothing to do with the way he took the corner. Those two events are independent from each other.

Why should Button leap out Vettel's way just because Vettel is in a faster car?

How many times should I repeat? Because he is a threat for both drivers' safety. Just think about Maldonado- Perez, or Maldonado- Hamilton and you will understand what I'm talking about.

The thing that you don't want to accept another point of view, different from the stupid mainstream, is only problem of yours and shows that you will never be open-minded enough.

Period.

 

[cjo]

Ok. I agree but that wasn't the case.
Vettel's decision to go off circuit, thus taking obviously the longer and slower path, have nothing to do with the way he took the corner. Those two events are independent from each other.

Obviously longer, yes. Obviously slower, no. Cars have a finite amount of grip - once their acceleration exceeds the grip available, the car will slide. That's bad. This can be split between 'traditional' acceleration/deceleration (in the direction the car is facing), and centripetal acceleration (steering left/right).

As the equation for centripetal force is mass * (velocity ^ 2) / radius, increasing the radius of the circle means that the maximum velocity increases. Although it only increases with the square root of the radius and the distance travelled increases proportionally to the radius, going faster also increases the downforce generated by the wings on the car, giving room for a higher speed. Plus the fact that you can carry a higher speed in to the corner (and can start accelerating earlier coming out of the corner if it isn't a perfectly circular path), it all means that a wider corner doesn't necessarily take longer.

The reason he states for doing something doesn't have any impact on whether he gained and advantage from doing so or not.

TL;DR: Why do you think there aren't 200mph hairpin bends?

 

[Tahir2]

Should also be noted (Ben Edwards and David Coulthard did) that Vettel on the preceding few laps was going off the circuit on certain corners repeatedly. At times it possibly gave him a speed advantage (coming out of the corner faster onto a straight) allowing him to close on Button that bit earlier.

Some say a racing incident but after the rules were very recently clarified (Rosberg/Hamilton Rosberg/Alonso at Valencia) over the use of the track and overtaking/defending if the race stewards did not act it would have been a bigger problem. The penalty was quite harsh but was explained as the only penalty available to the stewards. A drive through penalty is calculated as 20 seconds regardless of the track.

 

[Colourless]

Vettel was going off track A LOT going around certain corners. You can be sure that he wouldn't be doing that if it was slower. His engineer also gave him a warning in Quali for going off track and that a lap probably wouldn't be counted. So he was doing it all weekend. The thing about going wider in to 'that' corner is he needs to break much later. So he'd be going at full speed while Button had already slowed down alot, and then by going really wide he didn't need to slow down as much, etc etc. He shouldn't have done it, and got punished for it.

 

[Bludd]

How many times should I repeat? Because he is a threat for both drivers' safety. Just think about Maldonado- Perez, or Maldonado- Hamilton and you will understand what I'm talking about.

The thing that you don't want to accept another point of view, different from the stupid mainstream, is only problem of yours and shows that you will never be open-minded enough.

Period.

Racing is dangerous. If your attitude is to be adopted, only one car should be allowed on the track at any time.

Instead, drivers use their skills to avoid crashing but also to stay within the track. Vettel tried to cheat, got caught and paid the price.

 

[UniversalTruth]

Racing is dangerous. If your attitude is to be adopted, only one car should be allowed on the track at any time.

Instead, drivers use their skills to avoid crashing but also to stay within the track. Vettel tried to cheat, got caught and paid the price.

Vettel was going off track A LOT going around certain corners. You can be sure that he wouldn't be doing that if it was slower.

Either it was difficult for him to control the car at those moments and he lost time because going wide always leads to loss of time (that's why you will never see an ideal pole position lap with such minor inaccuracies), or he did it to try to release the pressure off tyres, to try to save the tyres a little bit more.

 

[Mariner]

add Australia to the list as well, we love nothing more then seeing a brit get his arse kicked as well ( the cricket has been great, ENG getting pummeled by RSA ).

I blame the Australians for our poor performance against South Africa.

The Aussie team just didn't give us any proper competition when we whitewashed you in the one day series the other month. If you'd put up a better showing, perhaps we wouldn't have played so poorly against the Proteas?

 

[Davros]

How many times should I repeat? Because he is a threat for both drivers' safety.

Where are you getting this from button was a threat to safety ?

 

[itsmydamnation]

I blame the Australians for our poor performance against South Africa.

The Aussie team just didn't give us any proper competition when we whitewashed you in the one day series the other month. If you'd put up a better showing, perhaps we wouldn't have played so poorly against the Proteas?

yep a dumb one day series from Australias perspective , not a single aus player had played any real cricket in 4.5-5 months and then we go into a short one day series and picked a "one day" line up instead of our best team.

i watched 80% of the 1st test, If Australia was playing as well as we did against India and new Zealand in the Australian summer we would have beaten you too

 

[Mariner]

Our problem is that too many of our batsmen manage to get themselves out by going after unnecessary shots when under a bit of pressure. Despite the massive total posted by South Africa, England could easily have got a draw out of the test if just a couple of batsmen hadn't given their wickets away pointlessly.

Plenty of room for improvement there but I'm not convinced we'll manage to come back against a very good South African team.

Anyway, enough OT cricket stuff, I suppose.

 

[itsmydamnation]

Our problem is that too many of our batsmen manage to get themselves out by going after unnecessary shots when under a bit of pressure. Despite the massive total posted by South Africa, England could easily have got a draw out of the test if just a couple of batsmen hadn't given their wickets away pointlessly.

Plenty of room for improvement there but I'm not convinced we'll manage to come back against a very good South African team.

Anyway, enough OT cricket stuff, I suppose.

well everyones told UniversalTruth a million times hes wrong, what else is there left to do other then talk about the cricket

 

[Dave Baumann]

Evidently drivers were warned just prior to Silverstone about off track moves and stewards encouraged to take a dim view on it if it happens:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101474

 

[Billy Idol]

Is there really a sane person on earth thinking that Vettel's move was not against the rule?

Easy mind game: just assume that instead of the white line, there was a wall (like lots of tracks have)...what would've happened then? Thinking about this and playing through the whole 'overtake' should give the right answer about pro/contra Vettel!

 

[Bludd]

Is there really a sane person on earth thinking that Vettel's move was not against the rule?

Easy mind game: just assume that instead of the white line, there was a wall (like lots of tracks have)...what would've happened then? Thinking about this and playing through the whole 'overtake' should give the right answer about pro/contra Vettel!

Button left a gap, Vettel chose to leave the track. If there had been a wall, Vettel would not have left the track. He would probably not have attempted the pass, but he he had, Button would have left him room, but Vettel would most likely not be able to pass since he would have had to slow down more to avoid hitting the wall.

Vettel tried to pull a fast one and rightly got punished for it.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to see Alonso winning again in Hungary. The Red Bulls will most likely have to change their engine maps wrt. mid range torque and that will most likely hurt them both traction-wise and aero-wise. Imho, McLaren vs. Ferrari at the top unless the Enstone team can finally get its act together. Kimi is hankering to win a race and I'd like to see it, but only if Alonso can't win or after Alonso has won the WDC.

 

[Kaotik]

Alonso won't win WDC this year, unless we get the repeating wet and/or cold conditions (especially in qualifying) where Ferrari is just that much better.

 

[Bludd]

Alonso won't win WDC this year, unless we get the repeating wet and/or cold conditions (especially in qualifying) where Ferrari is just that much better.

We'll see. A determined Alonso with a drivable and there or thereabouts car is not something to be underestimated.

 

[Kaotik]

We'll see. A determined Alonso with a drivable and there or thereabouts car is not something to be underestimated.

No, but the car just isn't as fast as Red Bull / McLaren / Lotus in general, not when it's not cold/wet anyway - it's fast enough to keep most if not all behind on hotter temps too, but that's a lot easier than passing people if you don't manage to get top spots in qualifying (which I doubt he'll be able to do in hot temps that often)

And he's bound to have some technical issues some day, too, like everyone else, which is enough to lose most of his current points lead

 

[DuckThor Evil]

Is there really a sane person on earth thinking that Vettel's move was not against the rule?

No only one nutter.

Alonso's consistency puts him as the favourite at this point. He is not going to win every race, but is up there most of the time, while others will drop more points occasionally. Alonso is the most complete package imo and enjoys clear number 1 status in the team. Other drivers face more challenge from their team mates.

 

[Lightman]

When Kimi will win a race in Lotus, he will be disappointed

At this stage of season I see WDC to be Fernando's to loose and WCC to be RedBull's to loose. Both unlikely to fail!