Formula 1 - 2016 Season

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  1. DJ12

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    Excellent to see the first person done on the Verstapen rule is Vettel.

    Hoist with his own petard.
     
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    But the stewards was not helping by delaying what looks like a clear cut decision when Max cutting the corner. It all went downhill for Vettel since then especially with Max backing off Vettel into Ric (whether it was intentional or not). If Max gave the place back immediately (which was suggested by RBR) or if the stewards can decide faster, then Vettel Ric thing probably wouldn't happen. Probably they hesitate to give it immediately because Ham did the same thing at the start and they didn't penalize him.
    Oh well, I guess you have to give them credit for being consistently inconsistent.
     
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    They must have been quite painful for Vettel . I wonder if Charlie Whiting was secretly laughing his head off at him after all revenge is a dish best served cold.
     
  4. DJ12

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    Well first one didn't involve Ferrari so no need for Ferrari International Assistance to get involved, second one did.

    Having said that, there is a general relaxed approach to first lap incidents, Ham did allow Ros to catch up before dropping him like a bad smell. (Vertappen was hard done to in my opinion - he ruined his race anyway)

    And who gives a crap if Verstappen was backing him up, there is nothing in the rules about that anyway. Well maybe there will be in the next race now it's affected Ferrari.
     
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    Did you even watch the GP? Hamilton never let Rosberg to catch him up, not before safety car entered the track anyway when he had no choice really - and the even bigger point is the fact that had he returned to track like he should have, he wouldn't have been nowhere near 1st place, but far behind.



    As for the Vettel penalty, it was justified, but then again Verstappen shouldn't have been ahead of him at that point anyway as he should have given the position to Vettel for the shortcut.
     
  6. DJ12

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    Come on Hamilton was 2-3 second ahead after the first corner but by the time the yellow was indicated Rosberg was about a second behind.
     
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    The last few laps of the Mexican GP were pretty awesome IMHO... Seb swearing at Charlie was an absolute classic F1 moment! Some people are speculating whether or not Vettel will still have to pay for that outburst of emotion.
    I personally loved the varying strategies play out and the race to the finish.
    For sheer entertainment value and the mess of a situation afterwards, this is one of the best race of 2016.
     
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    Exactly - he never let Rosberg catch up, had he made the corner the difference would have been couple tenths max, not one second, and still more importantly, if he had returned to the track like he should have, he wouldn't have been anywhere near 1st place
     
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    I think almost everyone will agree that Ham looks faster, but being the faster driver doesn't mean that he can pass a slower driver. Also unlike when someone that start in the middle of the pack where there are lots of cars from every direction to worry about, Ham was in front. There should be no excuse for Hamilton not to be given a penalty. Next time, the car that start first might as well cut the corner since apparently they will turn a blind eye on every infrigement on the rule at the start. Should give you a nice gap to the chasing pack.
     
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    FIA didn't penalise Ham to keep championship fight alive. Not mad at them though as Ros had his problem at turn 1 and probably wouldn't gain a place regardless.
     
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    Rosberg-Verstappen case in the 1st corner went OK'ish, Verstappen pushed him out of track after braking too late, and Rosberg kept his position ahead of him by cutting the corner slightly, that can be granted in 1st corner IMO.
    Keeping championship alive should never be a reason for not giving penalties
     
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    I agree with you, I just stated the obvious in my previous post.
     
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    Max GOD.

    Toto YOU move over.

    Definitely the most exciting race of the season though i wished they didn't pussy around with the SC so much. In they end they got on with it and it was fine. Probably should have done that from the start.
     
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    Amazing driving by Max. He looked like he was glued to the road. Red Bull secretly have a fan-car? :p

    It would have been nice to see them racing for longer. It seemed mainly to be the final corner that caused the problems; if that was drier they may well have cut down on SC time a lot. Looking at the on-board shots it's completely understandable having the SC out. At times the spray was so bad you could barely see past the nose of the car, and that was at low speed behind the SC.
     
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    I wrote up a nice rundown on who needs what to win the championship:

    Currently:
    - Wins: LH 9, NR 9
    - 2nd places: LH 3, NR 4
    - 3rd places: LH 4, NR 2

    If there is a tie in points:
    - Whoever wins AD has one win more
    - If LH gets a 2nd, he ties NR for 2nds, but then has more 3rd places

    Thus.......

    Rosberg is champion when:
    - Rosberg finishes on the podium regardless what Hamilton does
    - Rosberg finishes 4th, Hamilton must be no better than 2nd.
    - Rosberg finishes 5th, Hamilton must be no better than 2nd.
    - Rosberg finishes 6th, Hamilton must be no better than 2nd.
    - Rosberg finishes 7th, Hamilton must be no better than 3rd (2nd ties them on points and 2nd places, but LH wins by more 3rd places)
    - Rosberg finishes 8th, Hamilton must be no better than 3rd.
    - Rosberg finishes 9th, Hamilton must be no better than 4th.
    - Rosberg finishes 10th, Hamilton must be no better than 4th.
    - Rosberg finishes outside the points or DNFs, Hamilton must be no better than 4th (4th ties them, but Rosberg wins on 2nds)
    - Hamilton finishes worse than 3rd (4th would tie them on points, but NR has more 2nd places)

    Hamilton is champion when:
    - Hamilton wins, Rosberg must be no better than 4th (4th ties them on points, Hamilton wins on more wins)
    - Hamilton finishes 2nd, Rosberg must be no better than 7th (ties them on points, Hamilton wins on more 3rds)
    - Hamilton finishes 3rd, Rosberg must be no better than 9th


    So which ever way you want to put it, Hamilton must finish on the podium to have any chance of securing his 4th WDC.
     
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    Given that Rosberg wins if he finishes on the podium, Hamilton basically has to rely on something going majorly wrong for Rosberg. With the car they have Rosberg should be able to get a podium spot with minimal effort; he probably won't have to push hard at any rate as it doesn't seem that it's a particularly strong track for any of the other teams. That means even if Hamilton has a perfect weekend, it basically comes down to Rosberg having technical issues (mechanical failure or pit stop delays) or crashing.
     
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    Rosberg also wins if he takes out Hamilton and himself, right? :p
     
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    He will. Hopefully Hamilton will be far enough down the road that Rosberg doesn't get the option to do that :p
     
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    Their grip is just so much better on lower speeds it's ridiculous - what I'm more surprised about is the fact that Ricciardo didn't seem to take advantage from it that well. And despite how damn well Max drove, he again had to break the rules and get away with it. He could have easily waited 'till next corner to make clean pass of Vettel, but instead he just pushed him out of track when they were side by side, maybe even Vettel slightly in front. Granted, same had happened before in the race too with Vettel pushing Alonso wide and gone unpunished, but that doesn't make it any more ok - they both should have been punished, or the damn rule needs to be removed so everyone can feel ok doing it.

    Drivers don't consider the spray that bad, in fact they (or at least many of them) kinda wish it was even worse - the problem is the tires which can't remove the water quickly enough, in other words, they're utter shit. Go back some 10 years and drivers wouldn't have had any problems driving in that weather due proper rain tyres - they sprayed more but you could still drive just fine because you had some real grip there, not standing on the knife edge of aquaplaning 24/7.

    Danger was big part of the thrill of F1 for it's golden years, but there is no real danger anymore, it takes extremely bad luck to get seriously hurt, deaths are almost impossibility apart from the most bizarre coincidences (Bianchi-
    case).
    This is yet again one of the reasons why F1 is losing popularity, the cars are so safe it's almost ridiculous, yet they throw safety cars and red flags all around from slight drizzle - partly because "safety" and partly because the tires are so utter shit - give them real tires and let them race, the more crash out the better, they'll be fine, maybe they get some bruises and who knows, maybe you can even break a leg or something, but that's supposed to be part of the sport!

    At current rate we can soon replace the cars with scaled up scalextrix cars, insert couple lanes to the track and let the engineers push trigger from pitwall to make the cars go.
     
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