Formula 1 - 2012 Season

[itsmydamnation]

where did you hear no further action?


edit:
http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=11807&start=3135

 

[Kaotik]

where did you hear no further action?


edit:
http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=11807&start=3135

It came in Sky's broadcast when I was posting that

 

[Davros]

yet 2nd and 3rd where "cheating"

http://www.planetsport.com/live/f1/

Sorry what are you linking to ?

 

[Kaotik]

Hamilton: "That's it guys, we should retire", left rear puncture
edit: Didn't retire anyway.

Sorry what are you linking to ?

If you scroll a bit there was information that Red Bull were suspected for cheating, that was already cleared though (stewards still think they cheated, but there's a loophole in the rules or something)


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Kimi is on fire, flying, and Lotus actually managed to do a decent pitstop at a perfect time, too

 

[Davros]

Illegal pass by Vettel Imho....

 

[Kaotik]

Illegal pass by Vettel Imho....

Yeah, hoping penalty for him, would push Kimi 1 spot higher too

 

[Billy Idol]

Illegal pass by Vettel Imho....

Yep, definitively! Penalty necessary!

 

[itsmydamnation]

i dont like vettel so its hard to be unbiased, but i do think he pushed it a little to far.

 

[UniversalTruth]

Yeah, hoping penalty for him, would push Kimi 1 spot higher too

Penalty but only a reset of his position relative to Button's. Button should be second, and Vettel third.

But, actually, I don't believe anyone will touch Vettel in Germany. Unfortunately.

Kudos for Fernando and Ferrari.

 

[Zaphod]

Vettel penalized 20 seconds, dropping to fifth.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18947482

 

[Kaotik]

Penalty but only a reset of his position relative to Button's. Button should be second, and Vettel third.

But, actually, I don't believe anyone will touch Vettel in Germany. Unfortunately.

Kudos for Fernando and Ferrari.

There's no such penalty, drive-through penalty from last 5 laps = 20 secs added to your total time (~aproximate average of how much you lose by driving through the pits with limiter on)

So, with this penalty Kimi is only 12 points behind 3rd spot on the championship

 

[UniversalTruth]

There's no such penalty, drive-through penalty from last 5 laps = 20 secs added to your total time (~aproximate average of how much you lose by driving through the pits with limiter on)

So, with this penalty Kimi is only 12 points behind 3rd spot on the championship

They should have given Vettel 5 or 10 seconds penalty, 20 seconds is too much- doesn't correspond to his fault.

In any case, the championship becomes closer and closer to a third WDC for Fernando and Ferrari.

 

[Kaotik]

They should have given Vettel 5 or 10 seconds penalty, 20 seconds is too much- doesn't correspond to his fault.

Sure it does, it was a fault that would have given drivethrough if it had happened earlier, and he would have lost about the same time.

 

[UniversalTruth]

Sure it does, it was a fault that would have given drivethrough if it had happened earlier, and he would have lost about the same time.

Obviously, you missed that at this particular circuit the pitstop takes around 17-18 seconds with changing the tyres, drive through would cost considerably less.
So, it doesn't matter what a drive through equals to, it does matter that he was the faster driver and in the name of the race. Such penalties kill the sport and the justice.

 

[Arwin]

Obviously, you missed that at this particular circuit the pitstop takes around 17-18 seconds with changing the tyres, drive through would cost considerably less.
So, it doesn't matter what a drive through equals to, it does matter that he was the faster driver and in the name of the race. Such penalties kill the sport and the justice.

Penalty has to be worse than not doing it, or else you have nothing to lose by trying.

 

[Kaotik]

Obviously, you missed that at this particular circuit the pitstop takes around 17-18 seconds with changing the tyres, drive through would cost considerably less.
So, it doesn't matter what a drive through equals to, it does matter that he was the faster driver and in the name of the race. Such penalties kill the sport and the justice.

The time spent on pitlane isn't the same as time lost - you drive that ~14-15secs at 100kph, but you also have to slow down before it, and then accelerate out from there, while others are driving full throttle next to you.
(And no, you really can't have customized timepenalties for each race)

How does penalty like this "kill the sport and the justice" more than driver not following the rules, and taking advantage from driving out from track and getting unfair advantage from it?

I wish they'd remove all the tarmack outside the track and put sandtraps right after the kerbs, at least no-one would take advantage from running wide

 

[AlphaWolf]

The last thing in the world F1 needs is anything making it harder to pass.

 

[UniversalTruth]

How does penalty like this "kill the sport and the justice" more than driver not following the rules, and taking advantage from driving out from track and getting unfair advantage from it?

It is a mistake that you think so.
First, Button did push Vettel off the circuit, he didn't provide enough space for both of them.
Second- Vettel did not cut the corner, he was obviously with the faster car, thus you think he got unfair advantage, when the only thing he did was to prevent both from collision course.
He didn't get advantage of the fact that he run as far as possible from the unstable accelerating opponent's car.

 

[Davros]

Look Uni its simple you cannot overtake while you are not on the track....

 

[UniversalTruth]

This rule is simply not acceptable. You should distinguish between different cases of overtaking. In this particular case you artificially limit or/and postpone the inevitable. Why? You provoke race accidents.