Formula 1 - 2011 Season
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It could well be that Craig Scarborough 'Scardbs' has stumbled on one of Neweys secrets and possible a or the reason why the RedBull in particular is so low to the ground and as a result quick. From what I gather, the idea was given by unusal wear marks on the splitter seen on the underside of one of the cars (most probably Mark Webbers car in Monza) this year. It's a concept of a splitter that allows a lower ride height and exposes the legality of the rules and the deflection test carried out by the FIA.
http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/10/24/update-see-saw-splitter-fia-issue-a-technical-directive/
The concept of the 'see-saw-splitter' explained and how it exploits the deflection test:
http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/10/14/a-legal-but-flexible-t-tray-splitter-the-see-saw-solution/
http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/10/24/update-see-saw-splitter-fia-issue-a-technical-directive/
The concept of the 'see-saw-splitter' explained and how it exploits the deflection test:
http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/10/14/a-legal-but-flexible-t-tray-splitter-the-see-saw-solution/
Yeah! I was initially - WTF - and then saw replay of it.
Also did anyone else catch Lewis sharp riposte during press conference?
I mean this bit:
It was said in very sarcastic tone. Either Lewis is seeing enemies everywhere or there is something going on
For what I saw, it wasn't hitting the kerb (which have gotten a lot of thanks from drivers from what i understand, unlike on some other tracks), but that he went in too deep, and his wheel first hit the kerb, np, going too deep it fell to lower ground behind it, still np, but then hitting the kerb in again broke the.. whatever those were called that are between the wheel & the car. So it wasn't the kerb, it was the sudden heavy up-down-up motion from going too deep
Remember when Red Bull destroyed the entire front suspension in Germany some years ago? That was scary, and it was on a regular kerb. This Massa incident was on a different kerb, a much worse kerb to run over.
Hopefully the race will be good, the track looks very interesting.
Hopefully the race will be good, the track looks very interesting.
Hopefully the race will be good, the track looks very interesting.
The beginning of the race will be good, hopefully. I suspect the dust will play a role in how it plays out, particularly for the cars in front. Given that the track has a new layer of dust every session, it'll be Vettel and Webber picking up a lot of that initial dust for the first few laps.
Hamilton and Massa at it again, Massa had the lead and right to choose his path, Hamilton sticking nose to closing gap, though it's questionable wether Massa had the right "to close the door" that much or not
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Few replays later, and checking the area, if anyone's it would be Hamiltons fault - Massa had nowhere else to go and was in the lead, if he hadn't turned he would have run out from track - Brundle has said (several times) that that corner is no place for overtakes no matter how much faster you are, there simply isn't room for 2 cars in the corner.
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Massa got penalty
Massa was slightly in lead and had 2 options, drive out from track or close the door, he choose to close the door and got penalty
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Few replays later, and checking the area, if anyone's it would be Hamiltons fault - Massa had nowhere else to go and was in the lead, if he hadn't turned he would have run out from track - Brundle has said (several times) that that corner is no place for overtakes no matter how much faster you are, there simply isn't room for 2 cars in the corner.
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Massa got penalty
Massa was slightly in lead and had 2 options, drive out from track or close the door, he choose to close the door and got penalty
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Hamilton and Massa at it again, Massa had the lead and right to choose his path, Hamilton sticking nose to closing gap, though it's questionable wether Massa had the right "to close the door" that much or not
edit:
Few replays later, and checking the area, if anyone's it would be Hamiltons fault - Massa had nowhere else to go and was in the lead, if he hadn't turned he would have run out from track - Brundle has said (several times) that that corner is no place for overtakes no matter how much faster you are, there simply isn't room for 2 cars in the corner.
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Massa got penalty
Massa was slightly in lead and had 2 options, drive out from track or close the door, he choose to close the door and got penalty
Your anti-Hamilton shtick is getting real fucking old
It was clearly Massa's fault; Checking his mirrors, then turning into an opponent is downright despicable.
Cheers
Your anti-Hamilton shtick is getting real fucking old
It was clearly Massa's fault; Checking his mirrors, then turning into an opponent is downright despicable.
Cheers
So in your opinion, he just should have run out from track instead because other guy had almost caught him?
DarthShader
Regular
Well, he was aware there is a car and he chose to turn right in...
Well the other option would have been running out of track, you can't expect anyone to choose that if they're still ahead?
DarthShader
Regular
Does his car have no brakes?
I thought two cars would fit in that track side by side... the outer lane was obviously going to be so much slower and dirtier though that Massa would have lost his place but I would not think it would be impossible to drive slow enough on that outer lane so as not to drive out of the track.
I´m not even sure if Massa saw where Hamilton was even though he obviously turned his head to mirror and tried to see where he was... could have been a bit of a dead angle.
I´m not even sure if Massa saw where Hamilton was even though he obviously turned his head to mirror and tried to see where he was... could have been a bit of a dead angle.
Hamilton had the inside line going into the turn, and at that distance Massa should have known Hamilton had him at that point. Instead he turned in anyway and paid the price for it. The judges were right on this one.
And whether or not Massa even saw Hamilton, in either case Hamilton was not the one at fault.
"inside line" which was far too in for racing line, it's questionable if he could have even made the turn at that speed had Massa not been there blocking and thus slowing him dramaticly.
It was by no means Massas fault, you simply don't choose "i'll drive out so we won't knock for sure" when you're ahead of someone, racing incident mostly.
tongue_of_colicab
Veteran
Your crazy. So everytime a driver is not even halfway past a other driver that driver should just let the other driver pass?! Fact is hamilton wasn't even halfway past massa and massa was driving on the racing line (he's infront, its his right to be there first, even if someone is trying to pass).
I don't see how you could possibly blame massa for this.
Even before the turn he lost that "right", as Hamilton was well beyond half-way past him, and yet Massa still made the decision of turning *into* Hamilton where other drivers would sensibly react and take the outside. He did the opposite, and looking over the replay again, if he wasn't blind, then he was almost certainly damned well aware of Hamilton after checking his left mirror no less than four times.
edit: worse yet, it seems Hamilton realized Massa wouldn't leave him room and tried to back off from overtaking. This seems to be where people are largely attributing Hamilton as not sufficiently being past Massa.
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