First Killzone screenshot/details? So says USAToday..

I'm sorry,
i didn't realize that some people aren't clever enough to read the entire discussion (where the fifa comment fits nicely into what we where discussing to begin with ( about having players instead of AI)).

I also didn't realize that you where a moderator.

If the mods find the discussion as offtopic, im sure they will delete it, and if you think they should delete it, there is a report button.

 

Here's another video with the GC07 demo and interview from Gamereactor.

http://www.gamereactor.dk/grtv/player/popup.php?partner=&cat=Leipzig 07&id=1224

Some more nice stuff showed of the shooting up helghasts.

 

FIFA was just being used a comparison for an idea in KZ2. Nowt wrong with that.

 

Morlock thanks for the link but thats only the first or second part right?

[Right click .. and save]
Part 1
Part 2

Enjoy!

 

hey guys, i don't suppose someone can sum up what's going on in KZ2 for me (these 50+ pages) ? Of course, aside from the obvious low-res textures, what other tricks are Guerilla using for this game?

 

Oh well, here we go. http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/14400/Guerrilla-Killzone-2-Impossible-to-Do-on-Xbox-360/

 

And then the only specific reasons he gave was, Blu-ray storage capacity and sixaxis.

Which begs the question, why not multiple DVD's? Which basically means he says, the game could be done on 360.

Here is the originating article and relevant quote.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=171290

He makes a good point about multi-platform games though. A title designed specifically on each respective machine should be able to push it farther.

 

Uh-oh, these guys are going to get a lot of hate like Julian Eggbrecht.

And KZ2 will be picked apart with a fine tooth comb.

 

I don't know if its hate, but there will certainly be commentary.

It was always going to be, you can't hype a game for years and not have it dissected by the media and fan base. If KZ2 isn't one of the best games next year (I don't just mean best looking), it may well go down as a huge failure ie. Doom3; while a pretty good game by most accounts, took a ton of flak.

 

KZ2 isn't really possible on the X360 because of the deferred rendering it relies on. Apart from this, the rest shouldn't really be a problem...

 

Yes I knew that, just didn't mention it.

I dont see a X360 game that looks as good as KZ2..maybe RE5 is closest..

But I do think 360 is capable of KZ2 level visuals, MS just needs to devote the time and budget to a single player experience of that magnitude.

 

It's worth saying that one game could be technically impossible while also duplicated as principally the same game. Consider the fillrate of PS2. Any game that used that to best effect couldn't be done on XB...exactly the same way. The renderer couldn't be done. But the game could be developed to be rendered differently. And as we've said on this board before, any game can be reduced to fit onto another hardware. The question is when does it stop being the same game? If you lose the extreme particle effects but everything else is the same, is it the same game?

 

Don't GRAW and GRAW2 on the 360 use deferrred rendering?

 

Grins version on PC does from what I know, but not the console versions.

 

Exactly, KZ2 is using Quincunx AA and therefore difficult or impossible to implement on 360.

Is it because of the way MRTs are handled on 360?

 

Is Quincunx AA similar to ATIs temporal AA?

 

Nope, Quincunx is 2xAA with a 'blur filter' and ATi's temporal AA is something completly different (I actually forgot a lot about it). But if I remember it correctly then it was different AA patterns in each frame that blends together. Also I think it was only effective at 60fps or better as long as the framerate was even.

 

Nope. AMD's TAA changes the sample pattern every frame giving the illusion of higher AA if the framerate is sufficient.

AMD's AA in the X2900 series is more similar to QAA though. QAA takes samples from neighbouring pixels in a quincunx pattern. The pattern looks like the 5 dots on a D6 die.

 

It forces vsync I think (it might lock it to 60 fps but as my LCD TV is only 60hz I cannot test it higher)

They seem to have similar results anyway (the appearance of 4xAA using 2xAA etc.etc.), even if they are not the same.

 

No Quincunx AA is noticably more blurrier than temporal AA. And yes VSync needs to be on for temporal AA to work.