First Killzone screenshot/details? So says USAToday..
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can't wait for the day they'll disclose how they did this game.
The parts that look good, look really good.
ps: lets not try to convince those who "dont see it". Instead, ask your selfs why is he trying to convince us how bad it looks? its no longer sharing an opinion, its forcing it.
so, MSAA 2x can't be responsible for such a clean image. what you guys think the trick is? blur helps, but not like that. Too clean and yet, crisp.
The parts that look good, look really good.
ps: lets not try to convince those who "dont see it". Instead, ask your selfs why is he trying to convince us how bad it looks? its no longer sharing an opinion, its forcing it.
so, MSAA 2x can't be responsible for such a clean image. what you guys think the trick is? blur helps, but not like that. Too clean and yet, crisp.
the shadow disappears for a bit. Its like the shadow is a second character behind the hellgast that clips into the wall and comes back as you come closer or further.
Looks great but he doesn't seem to react to the bullet hits correctly and he starts to "flail" when dying, not at the beginning when getting hit.
Neverthless "fleshy" animation, I wonder what happens with a grenade?
It seems the shadow behind him is caused by the muzzle flash, and when it disappears he's is not shooting and the helghast is lit by a flashlight of some sort.
The first couple of shots is shot to the left, missing.
Ahh yes the bullet holes looked like blood but where not (I was thinking about ricochets)!
Actually one wonders if this attention to detail is the "thing" that people cant describe that makes them so exited about the game. As stated in this thread, people fliniching at incoming bullets, animation of the gun hand (for me thats great), very well done ragdoll combined with indirect lighting, droping the weapons, the use of tracer fire to fill the screen with bullets making the action more intense, the fact that blind firing is used again brings beleivablilty to the action. Smoke effects, diffrent lighting giving diffrent hues (fire orange, gun fire white etc).
Out of intrest there is a fan movie here, uses combination of KZ2, KZ1 CGI, KZ1 gameplay, KZ2 CGI real actors cut to good music (just thought it was impressive video and shows that people are "getting" the lore and theme of the KZ universe). http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=83386
Due to its unquie stile I also think that KZ will attract some real rabid followers of the game to. Again attention of details like the speakers and propaganda and that they created the Helgan alphabet. Like many sucesfull games KZ2 has allot of colour, backstory and style that brings the game to life.
By the way I just love the laser sight, I don't know how easy it is to do techincaly but its just so impressive.
You're missing the point
All those things you mentioned about Doom 3, Half-Life 2, Gears of War, Far Cry, etc, are all being done at the same time in Killzone 2. It's not that Killzone 2 does a lot of new things, or breaks any molds. What it does is combine what other games focused on, and then put it together in one package.
Dynamic Lighting, fluid animation (and what looks like animation blending), 4xMSAA, destructable environments, volumetric smoke effects, great physics engine, multiple enemy and allied AI sets (I counted maybe 6?) with 5.1 Surround sound?
Call me crazy, but that is one hell of a technical achievment. Regardless, you can continue to try to downplay it or make it out to be less than what it is, but trying to take that impressive feel away from other people is downright sad. Seriously, I'm sure you have better things to do with your time.
That's a lot! 3x ovedraw..if you consider AA it could be even 6x ovedraw.
Yep, and in my opinion they use a couple of tricks here that could explain also why you don't particularly like their explosions:
1) many explosions and other transparent effects look kind of blurred, maybe they render them in a quarter resolution render target and then they do a full screen composite
2) many explosions have a lot of completely opaque or completely transparent pixels..you can guess the rest
Don't forget the other bus!
I know nothing about their rendering system, all I can share is what I can guess observing their stuff.
Umh..they say it's 2x AA and I tend to believe this as 4x + deferred rendering would really consume a lot of memory, it's not worth the cost on a console imho.
Moreover to skip calculations they can just do this.
Marco
2x MSAA can do that..if you employ a 'good' AA resolve, proper gamma correction and a dark palette!
I downloaded the 720p trailer from IGN and I can assure you that aliasing is there..
It's not really rocket science!
That might well be it. I had a similar response to that you've described from Uncharted. Those sorts of games don't appeal to me, and yet this one did. I think it's a combination of things, pulling together the technical aspects we can break down and analyse into a superior artistic experience. It's like you could bake a cake with less than the best sugar, flour, eggs, butter, and yet produce a far better cake with them than other cakes that muck up the baking, or use the very best of one ingredient with shoddy other ingredients. There's a realism to KZ that is something special. COD4 has that too (though I notice anim transistions - neither has the animation truly fluid), and I think the rest in the preferences comes from style choices and settings. Some people will prefer a natural environment to the grit of the Helghast, and I think that sets them up to be either favourably inclined or not. If you don't like the look of a game, chances are you'll be less receptive to what it does right.
LOL!
can you explain why combining deferred and forward rendering should be so difficult?Mintmaster, we are not that different from you. To find out the "strength" of KZ2 and what impressed us, you only need to answer your own question.
If you can answer how KZ2 is impressive overall to you, then you have found our answers... and may be help us articulate some of these qualities better (nAo already helped big time but you may have other perspectives).
As for the Helghan death sequence, that is just incredible. It made me want to rifle butt the guy (to knock him out, instead of kill him). It's "too real".
Finally thanks to nAo for clarifying a lot of the points. What are "internal lens reflection" and "depth-based color grading" used for ?
If you can answer how KZ2 is impressive overall to you, then you have found our answers... and may be help us articulate some of these qualities better (nAo already helped big time but you may have other perspectives).
As for the Helghan death sequence, that is just incredible. It made me want to rifle butt the guy (to knock him out, instead of kill him). It's "too real".
Finally thanks to nAo for clarifying a lot of the points. What are "internal lens reflection" and "depth-based color grading" used for ?
nAo I am not a person who knows much about graphics, what I was thinking (probably wrongly) is that lets say you could produce an infinite amount of polygons to create your character, would this still mean you would have to have AA, because I would have thought that because you had such dense polygons there would not be any way to see the jaggies via the naked eye?
Sorry for using such an extreem example, just wondering if my thinking is correct?
Sorry for using such an extreem example, just wondering if my thinking is correct?
