Digital Foundry Article Technical Discussion [2023]
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Not trying to be a grammar tyrant but every time @davis.anthony is right, the etiquette requires that you use his full forum name. Also it's you're
GhostofWar
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ok ok you're right aswell
.Damn, @Dictator missed the perfect opportunity to include FF7Remake in that PC performance update video. I literally just tried it again, and it's still complete trash. I simply cannot stand all the compilation stuttering in that game.
SquareEnix JUST released a patch for it recently too.. after ages of nothing.. which adds some Dualsense support or something... completely useless when the game performance is the way it is. How they could not use that opportunity to add in a pre-compilation stage like most of the new games do now is beyond me... Would have been nice to have FF7R included in Alex's video to get people talking about it again. This particular team of SquareEnix seems to just have no presence and interaction with their community.
The next chance we'll possibly have at getting SquareEnix's attention about this issue is when it inevitably happens for the sequel FF7 Rebirth... It's sad.
SquareEnix JUST released a patch for it recently too.. after ages of nothing.. which adds some Dualsense support or something... completely useless when the game performance is the way it is. How they could not use that opportunity to add in a pre-compilation stage like most of the new games do now is beyond me... Would have been nice to have FF7R included in Alex's video to get people talking about it again. This particular team of SquareEnix seems to just have no presence and interaction with their community.
The next chance we'll possibly have at getting SquareEnix's attention about this issue is when it inevitably happens for the sequel FF7 Rebirth... It's sad.
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If you take a look
4 Games I thought was enough
@Flappy Pannus I thought to include the issue with mip map bias in Dead Space but once again, was running low on time to just make all the recordings I needed.
I gotta publish videos eventually haha
4 Games I thought was enough
@Flappy Pannus I thought to include the issue with mip map bias in Dead Space but once again, was running low on time to just make all the recordings I needed.
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I keep screaming from the top of my lungs that lower level APIs wrecked havoc on PC, especially with the current limited budget and time available for developers, VRAM mismanagement is only one part of the problem.
Yeah, the situation keeps unraveling as more develeopers actually share their experiences and frustrations.
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@Dictator I've talked to devs on the DX12 discord server about video memory management in DX12. Turns out there is a DX12 library which, as far as I understand, influences how memory management is handled in an approach that is more similar to DX11 (more automated so devs have to do less work)
Direct3D 12 residency starter library - Code Samples
This library is intended to be a low-integration-cost turnkey solution to managing your Direct3D 12 heaps/committed resources.
learn.microsoft.com
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davis.anthony
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Exactly this. 4K upsampling using FSR 2 isn't cheap and the final image looks essentially like a native 4K image anyways from a typical viewing distance, with very similar detail and clarity.
For comparisons with PC, you'd really want to dial in the internal resolution and FSR 2 output to the same figures.
Oh no are you guys gonna start saying “bindless is why games are bad “ and “lazy devs used bindless” now? Please stop posting niche technical argument tweets about subjects you don’t understand, bindless has gigantic advantages alongside a few significant downsides like every popular technique.
There was never going to be an opportune time to make the transition. There are reasons that MS nor Khronos spearheaded the move to a lower level API in the PC space (AMD's Mantle did that). There had to be trepidation within both parties about making this move. On paper it makes the least sense (introducing low level APIs that passes off resource management to the application in an environment composed of several competing archs represented by an infinite number of configurations). But the market kind of lauded the development because the potential it represented and now we are living with consequences.
That being said eventually devs will get a handle on things or APIs will claw back some of the control they gave up and games will better off for it. But none of us should have expected a smooth transition.
For the most part, I don't think the lazy dev rhetoric is the right call because I sincerely doubt its laziness. Lack of time? Sure. Poor technical proficiency? Sure. Lack of attention to detail/craftsmanship? Sure but, it's most certainly not laziness. Well except for Redfall, that is just lazy....
No one has said either of those things.
Bindless is not indicative of poor craftsmanship, lack of time, or low technical proficiency! Some of the best performing games ever made achieve their results *because* of a bindless architecture!
They could always give up on ray tracing! Bindless is a pre-requisite for ray tracing. That way developers don't have to do explicit PSO creation and residency management to get both bindless right or ray tracing at all ...
No bindless, no problem but then they'd have to come to terms with no ray tracing as well!
The industry wanted to go more explicit because they wanted these new features ...
Explicit control over pipeline generation (PSOs), explicit resource/memory management (persistent mapping), more advanced binding model (bindless/unbounded resourced indexing), more advanced GPU-driven rendering API (ExecuteIndirect), explicit barriers (bindless resource access), explicit gfx/compute queues (async compute), and especially ray tracing ...
Oh it is, I was just thinking out loud a bit haha. I know there's only so much that can be done! We all greatly appreciate what you do for the PC gaming community here!If you take a look
I gotta publish videos eventually haha
4 Games I thought was enough
Just as an FYI, MK1 is using a bespoke version of UE4.
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