Xbox Series S [XBSS] (Lockhart) General Rumors and Speculation *spawn*
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If you're going to compete with the Switch you could get away with 9w, but I don't see Microsoft entering that market to compete with Nintendo. With their Surface line they have shown to go after new form factors & markets. So I could see them going after the gaming laptop form factor. There they could get away with less than 60 watt. And maybe the $300 base model doesn't have a screen? Hook it up to your own TV or PC monitor & use it as a cost console/PC, but they could make it modular such that you can add their official 15" screen & make it into a proper gaming laptop? There's all kinds of ways they could attack the $300 game market without doing a Switch or another standard console. If you want the best TV console they probably want you to buy the Series X, but if you want a different/mobile experience they can get you in at $300 or upsell you a full 1440p laptop at $500-600? Got to have a better imagination.
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I would not expect it to be similar in size or in power appetite as a Switch or an Ipad.
If it looks anything like a "traditional" handheld i would expect it to be a bit bigger, something more in line with the Alienware Project UFO.
If you're going to compete with the Switch you could get away with 9w, but I don't see Microsoft entering that market to compete with Nintendo. With their Surface line they have shown to go after new form factors & markets. So I could see them going after the gaming laptop form factor. There they could get away with less than 60 watt. And maybe the $300 base model doesn't have a screen? Hook it up to your own TV or PC monitor & use it as a cost console/PC, but they could make it modular such that you can add their official 15" screen & make it into a proper gaming laptop? There's all kinds of ways they could attack the $300 game market without doing a Switch or another standard console. If you want the best TV console they probably want you to buy the Series X, but if you want a different/mobile experience they can get you in at $300 or upsell you a full 1440p laptop at $500-600? Got to have a better imagination.
Tommy McClain
and allows user to install Windows 10. or heck, allow to simply "buy" the license from xbox store. BAM! awesome laptop for student
1. cheap
2. gaming capable because its an xbox.
3. usual student work
maybe even displace those 300 dollars chromebooks.
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Not that I've seen. Can you cite this or can shall we categorise this as misinformation?
You keep posting this like it's some absolute truth, yet why have we heard from long-standing credible sources like Jason Schreier that devs are telling him Lockhart presents a problem for nextgen games? Looking a the theoretical number of teraflops isn't helpful without an understanding Lockhart's RAM setup and bandwidth. If they want it as cheap as some are speculating, it's going to be full of compromises.
Lockhart is this weird cloak of uncertainty that Microsoft aren't ready to address yet that may (or may not) have implications for Series X and multiplatform PS5 games.
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Not less than 5 years at best i suppose. It's barely under raw performance for Ps5 if i'm not mistaken. As long as it brings 8Gb of ram i don't see it becoming irrelevant in a near future.
Did you mean to post that in the console Lockhart thread? Because...
If the concern is Lockhart holding back multiplatform development, PC hardware targets are relevant.
Only in the case of cross-platform titles. A console can be open to platform (console) exclusives and that's what some proportion of console gamers want from first party titles - showcase push-the-hardware games.
Worst case for XBox would be if Lockhart has no SSD and Xbox games have to limit their streaming tech. Until we know what Lockhart is, we can't know what the worst case impact on XBSX games could be and there's not much point in speculating.
The concern being expressed, though, is specifically for cross-platform titles.
Edit: Well, technically it's both cross-platform and Xbox titles, but Xbox titles will also include the PC as a platform, so the distinction would seem meaningless in this case.
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In the case of MS first party I wouldn't hold out much hope for many console exclusive games, could easily end up with none.
Puts on politician aura:
Games that are console exclusives will need to target two different consoles with different featureset, APIs, and performance in the PS5 and Xsx. I would argue if the feature-set is wildly different, then next gen will be held back by both consoles, as the common denominator would be the intersection of the two.
I.e a game optimized for a baseline of 36 CUs, 1825mhz, no VRS, no SFS, no Tempest
, no mesh shading, 4.8GB/s SSD and middling RT.
Games that are console exclusives will need to target two different consoles with different featureset, APIs, and performance in the PS5 and Xsx. I would argue if the feature-set is wildly different, then next gen will be held back by both consoles, as the common denominator would be the intersection of the two.
I.e a game optimized for a baseline of 36 CUs, 1825mhz, no VRS, no SFS, no Tempest
, no mesh shading, 4.8GB/s SSD and middling RT.
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Platform exclusive isn't what was said. It was specifically console.
Which was about if pc (2060 RTX) could hold back the xsx and for how long etc.
If anything your just re-enforcing my point, not sure if that's what you meant to do or not?
MS can set the minimum requirement for any of their games on pc at any point. So why would an 2060 RTX hold them back and how would it hold them back any differently than someone wanting the new doom to run on a switch all the way up to xsx and past it through GeForce 3xx0 series and Navi 2 high end skus ? What if they make a game tailored for the xsx and it runs at 4k 60fps on that system but in order to allow it to run on a 2060 rtx you have to reduce the resolution and graphical settings ?
The same game doesn't have to run the same way on both platforms or even the same within a platform. Lockheart and XSX games don't have to run at the same res and graphical settings just like no one expects a 2060rtx to run a game the same way a 2080rtx will run a game.
Yea, you've totally missed the point.
The point that @mrcorbo and @Proelite was making was pretty much precisely this.
When i said you was re-enforcing my point i wasn't sure if you didn't read the posts prior or didn't realise what the point was.
The point was that xss will hold back the xsx the same way a 2060 RTX would, so the fact that their making pc games xss isn't going to hold back the xsx any more than the the pc will. Which no one seems to believe it will.
You need to read back a few posts to get the context.
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