No European PS3 launch until March

But shiny new toys are nice..;)

Asides from the BD playback, I also want to play with gcc on cell. You have to understand, also, I've been waiting for Blu-ray since I first got my projector about a year ago. It's been long enough already!

It's true, the lineup will be very nicely filled-out in Spring. But it's slim consolation when we'd be getting those games regardless by Spring. I'll see what happens in terms of imports, I might have an opportunity there now that some family has moved to the states, but I'm not holding my breath given the allocations there.

Ya I understand that, I bought my big screen in the spring, and waiting for the 360 launch was kinda agonizing since I badly wanted to put it through it's paces. You're gonna get to play some damn good 360 games on your projector so it's not so bad, I hear ya though, what good is all that fancy equipment when you can't use it :devilish:
 
Patsu they knew good and well that they weren't launching in the Spring either but yet they lied through their teeth. Same situation here.

Right. The Spring launch smells more of a delay tactic in play. But not this one.

The difficulty in securing components was raised before by Ken. I think they were still working on it with no finalized numbers yet.

The diode supply won't stop upon launch. Sony needs to have a continuous run and they have re-committed a number. So we'll see what happens in early 2007.
 
I'm hoping they don't cut back on the Quality Control and thourough testing just to make numbers happen. There's a LOT of new stuff in the PS3 that all needs to work together in each console.
 
Its classic delay strategy. Yes, we just cut our launch numbers by 75% and frankly, who says sony will even get those 500k out. But, just wait a wee bit longer, don't buy that 360 or wii, we're just around the corner and the wait will be worth it. Just trust us, we'll do lunch, the check is in the mail and I wont' c#$ in your mouth.

The bluray laser diode shortage is not going to magically disappear in a month's time either. So, yes, sony is still lying thru their teeth. But, you'll be amazed at how many will continue to believe their revised tales of woe, not just fans, but the industry at large.

The whole thing has been a massive delay strategy, don't buy 360 PS3 will come just a few months later in the spring. Then they push it back, don't buy a 360 we're dong a a WW launch and pumping out 6million units in 4months around the world in just 6 months, and now it's we only have 400k at launch, but don't worry will pump out 6million within a few months...

Really a load of horseshit if you ask me, not a great way to treat your fanbase.
 
Actualy that was Microsoft who promished that, NOT Sony.
http://terror.snm-hgkz.ch/mirrors/thegia/sites/www.thegia.com/news/n990228b.html

The original article was published by the Nihon Keizai Shimbun in March 1, 1999:

Sony's PlayStation 2 unveiled
[02.28.99] » Reportedly capable of pushing graphics nearly 50 times faster than the Dreamcast, the PlayStation 2 will handle DVD movies, music, and the next generation of video games.

After months of rumors, speculation, scuttlebutt, and mass hysteria, Sony has finally stepped forward and divulged official news regarding the successor to the PlayStation. Set to be released in Japan by March 2000, the 128-bit system will use the DVD-ROM storage format for not only video games, but standard DVD movies as well. Sony claims the system is capable of pushing 3D graphical data nearly fifty times faster than Sega's Dreamcast. The full story comes courtesy of the Nihon Keizai Shimbun Monday morning edition, March 1, 1999:

"TOKYO (Nikkei)--Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. plans to release the follow-up to its popular PlayStation video game system by March 2000. The successor to the world's biggest-selling 32-bit game console is to feature a microprocessor co-developed with Toshiba Corp. (6502) that provides motion picture-quality images, The Nihon Keizai Shimbun learned Sunday.

"Likely to be called PlayStation 2, it will also be able to play movies and music stored on DVDs, allowing players to integrate various entertainment media into video games. While it will have data-processing capability several times more than that of a personal computer, the price will be kept below 100,000 yen, company officials said.

"Development costs for the new 128-bit microprocessor -- which integrates image processing, memory and other functions onto a single chip -- reached nearly 10 billion yen. The chip is to have data-processing speed several times faster than that of Intel Corp.'s Pentium III.

"The Sony unit seeks more than dominant market share in the video game console market with the chip, company officials said. "We take aim at the stranglehold on the chip/operating system market enjoyed by the Intel-Microsoft alliance," an executive said. He added that major battles will shift from spreadsheets, e-mail or other business-related areas to home entertainment systems fusing games, movies and music.

"The new microprocessor will allow users to handle nearly 50 times more 3-D image data compared with Sega Enterprises Ltd.'s (7964) Dreamcast game console. It will also let users produce game characters comparable in image quality to Walt Disney's Toy Story.
"While the PlayStation console employs CD-ROMs as its medium of data storage, its successor will adopt DVD-ROMs, boosting storage capacity by 7-8 times to 4.7 gigabytes."

One point to note is that 100,000 yen converts to roughly $840 American. However, even though the PlayStation 2 appears to be a full-fledged home entertainment system, the 100,000 yen maximum price was quoted in comparison to the PC market, where prices are quickly plummeting below $1000 US. Sony's new system will likely be introduced with a much lower price tag.
 
RobertR1 said:
I'm hoping they don't cut back on the Quality Control and thourough testing just to make numbers happen. There's a LOT of new stuff in the PS3 that all needs to work together in each console.

Amen ! I hope they already have those initial batch of diodes for production, so they can have sufficient lead time for QA. Expensive lessons for the ambitious Sony execs :)

We should be hearing more from MS and Nintendo soon too.
 
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Its classic delay strategy. Yes, we just cut our launch numbers by 75% and frankly, who says sony will even get those 500k out. But, just wait a wee bit longer, don't buy that 360 or wii, we're just around the corner and the wait will be worth it.

It really is amazing how slowly, step by step, they're still abel to sell this to a lot of people. If someone in Europe has believed their spring 2006 promise back at E3 `05, then he will be waiting for at least an extra year...

I wonder if we'll ever know how many customers will eventually decide to get an Xbox instead, and how many will wait until the PS3 finally arrives.
 
I wonder how many customers really are that impatient for a new console.
Early adopters and so called hardcore gamers maybe, but out of that...
 
If it's all about the games, that's just that many more next gen games from the xboxites this fall to nibble away at the willpower of those who've been holding out to see what PS3 could bring to the table before going next gen.

From a holiday buying perspective, it might be the blu-ray movie people who are gnashing their teeth most of all here over delaying so much of their volume out of the christmas window. It's much easier to give gift suggestions of a list of HD BRD movies to pick from anyway, and now a lot of that opportunity has gone ayway.
 
Another interesting, though very long term question is, how the next generation schedules will look like.

Microsoft has launched the X360 in november 2005. That suggests that if they hold on to a 5 year cycle then they'll release Xbox3 in the end of 2010, or maybe early 2011.
But that'd mean that the PS3 will only have about 4 years of shelf time as the most powerful and newest console. Sony will not be able to get their investments back in that time, but if they allow MS another 1 year advantage, or even more, then it may cost them their market leader status... And if the PS3 ends up ruling this gen, that will once again just encourage MS to launch the next Xbox at the same time.

I realise that it's a bit early to think about next-nextgen :) but nevertheless, this long delay will certainly have some serious consequences for Sony down the line.
 
It will be VERY VERY interesting to see if MS can take this and turn it around so well that they will actually convince me in buying a 360 by having the games i want. Only a miracle could make that happen though.

Spring 2006 to Fall 2006 to Spring 2007 and he still holds on. :D Sony fully expects most if not all of their fans and supporters to think and behave this way... *shrug* MS most likely will not execute unless GoW is a massive worldwide hit (which it WILL NOT be because WW would necessarily include Japan)...so in the end no worries...

I think Sony for all the delays/whathaveyou will still win this generation simply due to L-b statement. It doesn't matter what Sony does, supporters still want their "place t Shaun"

onto better things... :D I will buy as many PS3's as I can possibly afford this holiday and sell all but one .... off to preorder from as many stores as possible right now...:devilish:
 
All of this bad news coming out today could only mean that Sony has some juicy tid bits instore for TGS. They probably want to get all the bad news out of the way now rather than having it causing fans to lose focus at TGS like at E3. I think if Sony did the same thing at E3 people would feel different about how the show went for them.
 
...I wonder if we'll ever know how many customers will eventually decide to get an Xbox instead...

Analyst predicts 200,000

"The people who were going to buy PS3 and Wii will buy them both still, albeit in a different order. Few people were going to buy Xbox 360 and PS3 both (too expensive and too similar), so there may be a small number of people (200,000?) who buy a 360 instead of a PS3. That number represents lost sales forever. The balance will be ultimately captured by Sony, and the launch delay will be a rounding error in the long run."


http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3758&Itemid=2
 
http://terror.snm-hgkz.ch/mirrors/thegia/sites/www.thegia.com/news/n990228b.html

The original article was published by the Nihon Keizai Shimbun in March 1, 1999:

Sony's PlayStation 2 unveiled

That was a report made by some journalist :| Sony NEVER said PS2 could do Toy Story Graphics, THE MEDIA did. Microsoft on the other hand.....

"One of the basic premises of the Xbox is to put the power in the hands of the artist," Blackley said, which is why Xbox developers "are achieving a level of visual detail you really get in 'Toy Story.'"

http://netscape.com.com/Microsoft+got+game+Xbox+unveiled/2100-1040_3-250632.html

It was Microsoft who said Toy Story, not Sony ;)
 
I wonder how many customers really are that impatient for a new console.
Early adopters and so called hardcore gamers maybe, but out of that...

PS2 is old, very old by now, especially when you own a HDTV. I'm certain a lot of people are bored of it. And if you want to buy your son / nephew / grandson a christmas present that's shiny and new - and he probably already has a PS2 - then there really isn't much you can turn to.

The holiday season demand for consoles is about 4-6 million units in the US alone, based on the past few years. And anyone who wanted a PS2 has probably got it already. There'll be, at most, 1 million PS3s delivered this year, so what will the other millions of consoles be?
 
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