No European PS3 launch until March

[darkblu]

If you want to play any driving, shooting, football, action, RPG or other game in HD this Christmas, then your only other option will be an Xbox360.

or a pc, where many of those xbox titles (sans exclusives) will be readily available ; )

What's more, there's a good chance that you won't be able to get a PS3 until summer 2007, especially if you live in Europe, unless you're willing to spend a lot of time and money... and many of the early 2007 games will be multiplatform.

exactly, multiplatform-ability spreading from the xbox too and reaching as far as today's pc. except for the few system sellers. which system sellers for the ps3 will not be on the xbox (and vice versa).

So, unless you absolutely want to play Heavenly Sword, Resistance, Lair, GT-HD or Warhawk (what other exclusives are there?) then you'll be as content with an Xbox as with a PS3, and you'll even have some money left.

unless you really really want "H-Deee", you'll have way more money left with one other console (since i see we're in the pimping phase now ; )

 

[mrboo]

mrboo, well, technical draw, but Sony did it first.

All you gave my was a quote from some journalist giving HIS VIEWS, and i gave you an actual quote from Microsoft. So how is it a DRAW? You show me a link that shows Sony saying "Toy Story" and not some analyst/reporter's interpretation.

 

[Laa-Yosh]

...

There are counterarguments for all my points, that is obvious without pointing out.

What neither you nor I know is how the actual market thinks - we'll have to wait until we have the sales data.
Until that time I'm as right as you are, with one bonus on my side: past trends indicate that the vendors can sell a lot of consoles in the upcoming 4 months. Those customers won't defect to the PC.

 

[Hardknock]

All you gave my was a quote from some journalist giving HIS VIEWS, and i gave you an actual quote from Microsoft. So how is it a DRAW? You show me a link that shows Sony saying "Toy Story" and not some analyst/reporter's interpretation.

What is this to even argue about? Jesus.

 

[wco81]

Don't know about Europe but in the US, the PS2 has been outselling the X360.

So it's conceivable that people will continue to game on the current gen. for a few more months.

If there are big PS2 games coming this Holiday season, they may help stem defections to the X360.

 

[fastasleep]

As for analyst Michael Pachter at Webush Morgan, I'm amazed how this guy can hold his job.

On aug. 24th he said the following.

Earlier this week, Wedbush Morgan Securities Analyst Michael Pachter told Red Herring that he thinks the company will deliver the units it promised.
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“Sony’s blown it the last two launches and they’re not going to blow this one,â€￾ said Mr. Pachter. He believes the collaborative development of the PS3’s Cell processor and Blu-ray drive will get the company the components it needs.

And now.

Pachter also revised forecasts for US and European PS3 shipments from 2.3 million to 1.5 million in light of Sony's announcement. Just yesterday, he downgraded PS3 shipment forecasts for the regions from 3 million to 2.3 million.

I have a feeling that won't be the last of his revised estimates. If sony can blow smoke up an analyst's ass so easily, what are they going to do to the general public.

 

[msia2k75]

Don't know about Europe but in the US, the PS2 has been outselling the X360.

So it's conceivable that people will continue to game on the current gen. for a few more months.

If there are big PS2 games coming this Holiday season, they may help stem defections to the X360.

Europe is where the PS2 is selling the most currently. It's way outselling 360.

 

[Powderkeg]

All you gave my was a quote from some journalist giving HIS VIEWS, and i gave you an actual quote from Microsoft. So how is it a DRAW? You show me a link that shows Sony saying "Toy Story" and not some analyst/reporter's interpretation.

OK.....

Before being released in Japan months ago, Sony hyped the PS2 like mad.

"You can create Toy Story-like graphics!"
"Play your DVDs on Playstation 2!!!"

http://www.dealtime.com/xPR-Sony_Playstation_2~RD-745383

Note the date. November 12, 2000. That was before the Xbox was even announced.

Here is when the PS2 specs were first announced...

Sony claims it is capable of rendering the movie "Toy Story" in real time. As proof of the technological muscle of the new Playstation, several developers showed demonstrations of some of the features.

http://www.dvdfuture.com/features.php?id=2

Again, that was before the PS2 even launched.


Or, if you want a more reputable source, how about CNN Money...

Then in 2000, Kutaragi started hyping what he called the "emotion engine," the breakthrough microprocessor in PlayStation 2. He promised that it would deliver real-time graphics that would rival those of Toy Story, games that would make you cry, and DVD movie playback right out of the box.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2005/11/01/8362844/index.htm


Now that the record is set straight and they were both full of poop, let's get back to the topic.

 

[StefanS]

Would you stop the goddamn "Toy Story Graphics" discussion? That thing has been discussed at length in several threads and nothing good has come from it. It's just beating a dead horse. Moreover, it's not the topic of this thread.

 

[Geo]

Well, it was over right there, actually.

But, yes, as we like to say, "move along, please. . .move along. Your cooperation is appreciated." :smile:

 

[London Geezer]

Spring 2006 to Fall 2006 to Spring 2007 and he still holds on. Sony fully expects most if not all of their fans and supporters to think and behave this way... *shrug* MS most likely will not execute unless GoW is a massive worldwide hit (which it WILL NOT be because WW would necessarily include Japan)...so in the end no worries...

I think Sony for all the delays/whathaveyou will still win this generation simply due to L-b statement. It doesn't matter what Sony does, supporters still want their "place t Shaun"

onto better things... I will buy as many PS3's as I can possibly afford this holiday and sell all but one .... off to preorder from as many stores as possible right now...

Hey hey hey...

I know you were kinda joking... Just to set the record straight, i'm not "holding on" to some sort of "place t shaun ideal". I don't love Sony like i don't love any corporation out there. My points are very simple:

- I'm broke.
- The games i expect to play in the next generation (IF i get a console which at the moment looks quite unlikely!) will be on Playstation.
- I'm broke.

I'm not holding on to anything, in fact i'm quite happy without spending around 500 quid which i don't have. And i'm very happy without a 360 simply because out of all the games i've seen on it (and in the near future) there is nothing that i will play for long amounts of time. No point for me getting one cause i won't play it.

I even said that IF Microsoft can snatch the games i want from Sony, i WILL buy a 360!! I mean, it doesn't get any better than that.

I don't LOVE Sony (but i LOVE Final Fantasy, KH, Ico, and lots of games that so far are exclusive), like i don't LOVE McDonalds (but i LOVE Big Macs), like i don't LOVE any kind of multinational which tries in any way to get their hands on your hard earned cash. I buy products when i feel the need to buy them, and i don't buy products when i know i will have no use for them. The name of those products affects me in no way possible. I don't want "a Playstation". I want some games that happen to be only on Playstation, and the gams that happen to be on the console called Xbox360 just don't appeal to me. What can i do about it?! Hell, i could even blame MS for not making me happy by getting the games that i want then, like i could bitch to Sony that they won't give me a chance to get a PS3 for a loooong time... In the end it all depends on the points of view.

 

[macabre]

I`m in the same boat, I don`t even have a fkin TV at the time !
And I don`t even think of getting a next gen console before having a decent TV which I`ll get probably end of this year or early next year.
I got all of the systems last generation, but this time I think I go with the PS3. I can play the X360 at a friends place and I have no interest in Nintendo anymore.

 

[wco81]

I can afford an X360 and it's been 6 years since I bought a console.

I do have an HDTV already.

But most of the X360 exclusives don't interest me because I don't like FPS games. So meh on Halo3 and GOW.

I still might have been tempted to pick up an X360 for sports games and something like Saints Row.

But paying for online games is the dealbreaker. Don't care if XBL butters your bread for you. Rather would input IP addresses on a clumsy onscreen keyboard each time as long as that online interface is free.

So I will try to get the PS3 on 11/17 but not wait in line for it. If I can prepay and pick it up that day, great. If not, I'll worry about it later.

 

[London Geezer]

Ken Kutaragi Exclusive Update:

"We have decided to delay the launch for our Playstation3 Home Entertainment System worldwide for 6 months in order to give people time to save money, as it will launch at $1200. Because we care for our beloved customers and would never put them in financial trouble.Thank you and see you in 6 months"

 

[TheChefO]

Ken Kutaragi Exclusive Update:

"We have decided to delay the launch for our Playstation3 Home Entertainment System worldwide for 6 months in order to give people time to save money, as it will launch at $1200. Because we care for our beloved customers and would never put them in financial trouble.Thank you and see you in 6 months"

Funny thing is that isn't too far off what Kuta said many moons ago basicly stating, "get two jobs or work overtime if you want ps3". The delays are due to an unexpected worldwide economic slowdown and the OT/2nd jobs just weren't as prevelant as Sony HQ thought they'd be. Oh well, more time to save.

 

[assen]

But paying for online games is the dealbreaker. Don't care if XBL butters your bread for you. Rather would input IP addresses on a clumsy onscreen keyboard each time as long as that online interface is free.

Now this is a line of reasoning I completely fail to understand.

You paid, what, $500-1000 for your HDTV.
You are willing to put down hard money on a preorder (e.g. give up on the discount of the advance payment), and buy a $600 console instead of a $400 one.
You are paying $20-40 a month for a decent Net connection?
And your time is worth at least $5-10 an hour - wildly guessing that you don't live/work in Elbonia. You'll spend at least several hundred hours in multiplayer gaming in a year.

Yet you can't justify $50-70 a year for online gaming.
Seems to me a religious thing, nothing to do with rational economic behavior.

 

[darkblu]

Now this is a line of reasoning I completely fail to understand.

You paid, what, $500-1000 for your HDTV.
You are willing to put down hard money on a preorder (e.g. give up on the discount of the advance payment), and buy a $600 console instead of a $400 one.
You are paying $20-40 a month for a decent Net connection?
And your time is worth at least $5-10 an hour - wildly guessing that you don't live/work in Elbonia. You'll spend at least several hundred hours in multiplayer gaming in a year.

Yet you can't justify $50-70 a year for online gaming.
Seems to me a religious thing, nothing to do with rational economic behavior.

there's nothing irrational about it. it's just another rip-off that, if people could, they would spare themselves.

apparently they have to swallow the console-price rip-off (if they want to play those titles they're hooked on), they have to swallow the cable inet connection rip-off (as the alternative of dial-up is quite grim), and there comes yet another rip-off, which, basically, given that the 'box is touted as the online console, should've been attached to the base price of the unit (otherwise it's not much use of). bottomline, there's nothing weird if people say nothankyouverymuch to some of those rip-offs they're presented with, while putting up with all the others. and no matter how you look at it, 60 bucks is another AAA title per year on your budget.

 

[London Geezer]

Seems to me a religious thing, nothing to do with rational economic behavior.

... And who are you to judge other people's financial decisions? It's obviously quite rational for some people, the fact that proportionally to the whole expenses it's not much doesn't mean much. Eventually money does finish, so people will try not to spend money on certain things, especially after having spent loads of money already on other equipment, like you mentioned.

 

[assen]

apparently they have to swallow the console-price rip-off (if they want to play those titles they're hooked on), they have to swallow the cable inet connection rip-off (as the alternative of dial-up is quite grim), and there comes yet another rip-off, which, basically, given that the 'box is touted as the online console, should've been attached to the base price of the unit (otherwise it's not much use of). bottomline, there's nothing weird if people say nothankyouverymuch to some of those rip-offs they're presented with, while putting up with all the others.

Do you consider anything you pay for a rip-off?

and no matter how you look at it, 60 bucks is another AAA title per year on your budget.

I look at it this way: I buy, say, 10 AAA titles per year. Now, I can spend 60 bucks on top of that, either for Xbox Live Gold, which will enable me to play multiplayer online on those 10 titles, or buy one additional title. Which brings more marginal value to me? Easily the 10 online modes.

Online multiplayer is not "free"; it's just that some console manufacturers might choose to subsidize, while other choose to subsidize their hardware.

Look, I can understand the "There are exactly zero 360 titles that I would like to play" argument against choosing the 360. (I could relate to that, except that I love shooters.) What I can't understand is the stubborn insistence that $600 with free online play is fair and square while $400+$60 for online play is a ripoff which should not be tolerated, and the attempts to justify it with some economical reasoning.

 

[Geo]

What I can't understand is the stubborn insistence that $600 with free online play is fair and square while $400+$60 for online play is a ripoff which should not be tolerated, and the attempts to justify it with some economical reasoning.

Seeds of an interesting strategy there --instead of a price cut to greet PS3, which they've mostly ruled out, bundle the online. Defend your price point, get more people in the online community, remove an irritant for some.