Next-Gen iPhone & iPhone Nano Speculation

Discussion in 'Mobile Devices and SoCs' started by Arun, Jun 19, 2011.

  1. patsu

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    I heard some people will try to revive Jobs there, in the covered structure.
     
  2. patsu

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    Yes I think that's one of the technical and business appeals.

    I think Apple will probably support multiple payment mechanisms. Different countries will have different regulations.

    For debit transaction (e.g., for teens), I think they can use the existing iTunes payment. You buy stored value card to top the iTunes account up, and then you can only spend that much via the rumored payment mechanism.
     
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    Tim Cook is trying to channel Jobs, especially if as rumored they introduce a new product category.
     
  4. aaronspink

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    Its probably important to point out that a large number of retail locations in the past couple of years have actually switched to iPad based registers. In addition, there is the large contingent of the services industry that has switched to using iPhones/iPads with Square/Paypal apps. Think of the NFC as a way not to have to use analog swipe dongles.
     
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    Yeah, I don't think there's a single merchant at our (large) Sunday farmers market who doesn't accept Square for payments.
     
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    Can someone explain why Nvidia is going after Samsung for patent infringement, but leaves Apple alone ?

    From what I know it's about Adrena (= former ATI mobile GPU IP) and Mali (= ARM GPU IP, formerly Falanx). So IMG is 100% safe from Nvidia knocking at their door ?

    Still, it's a bit strange companies going after the end-manufacturer, but in Samsung's case it's a bit confusing as they are using Qualcomm (Adrena) SoCs and home-made SoCs with either Mali or IMG GPUs.
     
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    There are many possibilities. It's possible that Apple already have a deal with NVIDIA, or NVIDIA is still collecting evidences. It's really nothing special.

    It's not strange, actually it's quite common. For example, back in the "MP3 decoding patent" years, they went after MP3 player manufactures, instead of decoder chip manufacturers. After all, if the decoder chip vendor didn't claim to pay for the license fee, then it's up to the player manufacture to pay for it. Generally it's the end product manufacturer's job to make sure all license fees are paid.
     
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    Might be somewhat more difficult to go after A7 and beyond, given Apple is claiming this is their own GPU.
     
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    It's also critically important for the IP/component supplier to be offering non-infringing and, itself patent protected, designs, so that someone would be willing to license/source from them. And, in that regard, I think Imagination has done that adequately, and these broad claims by nVidia won't hold up if Imagination gets pulled into defending their IP.

    I'm sure nVidia has a sizable number of implementation specific, legitimate patents that could be wielded effectively at the appropriate parties, just not of these general types.

    nVidia has and will continue to have to be careful with their patent suit targets. Apple is an important partner for them in the personal computer space; that's an obvious enough reason for why they wouldn't be targeting them here.
     
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    Would it also be accurate to say that Samsung is most attractive from a damages standpoint due to their product volume? And if Mali is the infringing IP, the choices would be to go after them or ARM. The latter seems likely for obvious reasons.

    I've legitimized this off-topic post since I'm replying to a moderator :razz:
     
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    The pivoting doublethink of Apple pundits on screen size is going to be fun to watch.

    Last call for predictions.
     
  12. ltcommander.data

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    I'm interested to hear what Ive's going to say in the launch video as well. In the iPhone 5 video he specifically pointed out that they increased screen size only the the vertical direction but not the width so that it can still be comfortably used with one hand. The video put a lot of emphasis on the thinness and lightness and the technology required to achieve it in order to de-emphasis that the footprint increased. They will no doubt play up the thinness and weight reduction again with the iPhone 6 but there's no hiding the dramatic increase in footprint with the rumoured sizes, particularly width and especially in the 5.5" model, and its impact on comfortable one-handed usage.

    Personally, I'd like a bigger screen, but not a bigger phone, so I'm hoping the leaked parts have just been a complex disinformation and leak identification campaign and the smaller iPhone 6 model has a 4.5" screen with thin bezels (thinner even than the leaked 4.7" parts) allowing it to fit largely within the same footprint as the iPhone 5. Given the consistency of the 4.7" rumours, I'm expecting to be disappointed. And if Apple somehow does release a 4.5" iPhone instead of a 4.7" one, now that the commentators have standardized on the idea of a 4.7" iPhone, they are going to be skewered by the pundits for not having that extra 0.2".
     
  13. patsu

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    Just say some people have large hands and/or bad eyesight.
    It not that they are switching entirely to 5.5" (if true). They should be maintaining 4.7" and the current models I reckon.

    In any case, if the leaks are correct, the larger phone can behave like iPad. In that sense, it is a 2-handed device. Not a one-handed cellphone.

    It makes business sense because Apple has mobbed up the existing client base, and are moving to take others.
     
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    SOmeone did the math, presumably assuming current aspect ratios, and said the iPad Mini would still have twice as much square inches as the 5.5 inch model.

    I think my iPad Mini Retina is about the minimal size I'd tolerate for surfing. I don't really try to browse too much on my iPhone 5S, though things like Flipboard and Zite apps are not too bad for reading.
     
  15. ltcommander.data

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    Oh I definitely agree that there is a lucrative market for larger screen smartphones (4.5-5") and phablets (5.5-6"') that Apple needs to address. The question that the rumours have never fully addressed is what happens to Apple's existing market of smaller flagship smartphones?

    If I'm not mistaken, the iPhone is still the best selling single smartphone model and some of that is just because some consumers want iOS so they have no choice on size, but there are no doubt many customers that are directly looking for a smaller flagship phone. The rumours point to there only being 2 new iPhone 6 models in the 4.7" and 5.5" sizes. The 4.7" model is still noticeably larger than the iPhone 5, but is it close enough to directly transition users who prefer smaller smartphones? If not, is there actually a third secret 4" iPhone 6 that hasn't been leaked? Or is there going to be a 4" iPhone 5sc which may be a more aggressive transition hardware-wise than the iPhone 5c was (shrunk, up-clocked A7 with NFC for the new payments system) to serve as a semi-refresh at the $99 contract price?

    My personal bias would be to do 2 models: an iPhone 6 that maximizes the screen size within the iPhone 5 form-factor (~4.5") to address requests for a larger screen while still satisfying demand for smaller flagship phones and a small phablet (5.3") to address needs for larger phones.

    If I do need to browse for extended periods on the iPhone 5s because there are no other options, I use it horizontally to get bigger fonts, but then the height becomes constricting requiring a lot of scrolling. In that sense, the old 3:2 aspect ratio iPhones were better. I do wonder if 16:10 would be the optimal aspect ratio to address both reading and widescreen videos, but I can't see Apple introducing another aspect ratio, at least while the 3:2 iPhone 4s is still supported.
     
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    I recently purchased a Nokia Lumia 630; It has a 4.5" screen and I think it's great.
    I'm not a fan of the 5"+ phones either, my brother has an S4 and it's much too big.

    Apple have made the right call with 4.7".
     
  17. Entropy

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    If this is legit, clocks are kept low and the architectural CPU improvements are roughly 10% at the same clock. Which is quite good! And should keep CPU power draw low at the new process node.
    Of course, it begs the question what Apple chose to spend their increased transistor budget on. GX6650 perhaps?

    I hope someone picks up the gauntlet now that Anand has moved on, and provide a more in-depth analysis of the SoC.
     
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    Well, it's pretty much a given that the smaller iphones being announced today will have a 4.7" screen.
    I think it's great that iphone users will get the chance of using larger, more comfortable screens that are better suited to the everyday usage of a modern smartphone. Apple is doing the right thing with the updated screens, and slightly "losing face" by following the trend of larger screens from other brands will be a small price to pay for the enhanced user experience of the new models.


    But also... sorry, but I think I'm entitled to do this :lol:
    Here's some treasure from 2 years ago:


    The blog entry in question says the following:
    So I'm fully expecting silent_guy, rpg.314 and Pressure to complain about the new screen sizes. I'm also wondering if they'll keep using an iphone 4S for the rest of their lives, or if they'll eventually upgrade to the new Samsung Galaxy Young line because it fits their "thumb range" standards.



    Or... we could all just agree that this side of the argument from 2 years ago was purely based around apple bias. That apple didn't increase the screen size of their phones purely because they wanted to stick with the title of trend-setter instead of trend-follower for as long as they could - and not because of some engineering genius based around thumb-range that would otherwise "alienate half their potential customers".
    It was a reality distortion field that IMO lasted more than it should (almost all my friends who own an iphone complain about the small screen size nowadays), and it's time for some people to admit just that.
     
  20. Mariner

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    Meh, pixels-smixels.

    An 8mp camera ought to be plenty high enough resolution on a phone, especially considering the size limitations of the lens. How many people need to print out images at larger size than A4? Heck, 8mp is of high enough resolution for good quality A3 prints at a push! The rush towards 20+mp sensors on a camera phone seems unnecessary to me, unless you're looking for a Lumia 1020 type of phone.

    Hopefully, they will have improved the sensor size or perhaps added image stabilisation?
     
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