Formula 1 - 2014 Season
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Rurouni
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But did the slowness was purely from the car or Ham just stop trying (to save the engine)? If he can get into the points, it might be useful later because it's going to be tight between him and Ros. If the car was slow, then sure saving the engine would be the better choice. But Ham needs every point he can get.
It was reported that there was some damage to the floor of the car which completely knackered the handling and grip. Hamilton has fought through from right at the back to gain points in the past this season, so it seems likely the damage to the car just didn't allow this during this particular race.
The difference here is that Hamilton apparently did some fast laps and when Hamilton begged for a retirement the team told him to stay out and see what would happen with the race, they said they weren't worried about the engine.
I would think that if the team could see any valid reason for pulling him in they would have done so, it wouldn't make any sense to keep him out in a slow damaged car without any hope for points.
There is something there that we weren't told.
itsmydamnation
Veteran
then why did they keep putting him on the slow more durable tirer and why was he shredding them twice as quick as someone like botas or ricciardo? They were hoping for something, and nothing came.
Lots of discussions here about who was right in that moment. IMO, all is perfectly clear. Lewis was clearly in front of Nico and inside, so he had all the right to take normal racing line into that corner. That is a simple end of any other discussion. Nico could either go outside of the track ["racing line car" is allowed to push competing cars outside when in corners], break or crash into Lewis. He chose to risk it and stay close, he did not brake, and then he fucked up race for Mercs.
Stupid move by Nico which was sadly deemed as "racing incident" just because FIA is not punishing mistakes by team mates. If this was made by anyone else than team mate, they would get a drive through and point or two on driving license.
Anyhow, this just makes Monza even more interesting. Hopefully it will be bone dry all weekend.
Stupid move by Nico which was sadly deemed as "racing incident" just because FIA is not punishing mistakes by team mates. If this was made by anyone else than team mate, they would get a drive through and point or two on driving license.
Anyhow, this just makes Monza even more interesting. Hopefully it will be bone dry all weekend.
Billy Idol
Legend
There is really nothing to discuss. FIA said normal race incident. Nothing to see here, nothing to discuss. All those Ham fans should better start praying that he gets back his good form and concentrates more on the racing itself than on PR war. I really don't like that the rest of the season Ros dominates and Ham just keeps on whining to the press...Lots of discussions here about who was right in that moment. IMO, all is perfectly clear. Lewis was clearly in front of Nico and inside, so he had all the right to take normal racing line into that corner. That is a simple end of any other discussion. Nico could either go outside of the track ["racing line car" is allowed to push competing cars outside when in corners], break or crash into Lewis. He chose to risk it and stay close, he did not brake, and then he fucked up race for Mercs. Stupid move by Nico which was sadly deemed as "racing incident" just because FIA is not punishing mistakes by team mates. If this was made by anyone else than team mate, they would get a drive through and point or two on driving license. Anyhow, this just makes Monza even more interesting. Hopefully it will be bone dry all weekend.
You can't do that in the middle of right-left-corner, when you didn't start the corner from racing line and there is someone besides you, even if he's only partly on your side, if it forces him to choose from going out of track or crash
No-one is allowed to push others off the track
The rules really don't give you room to move around the issue, regardless if the rules are forced or not.
It's hilarious how someone hitting someone with the front wing is the worlds biggest foul now, when the same people haven't whined about it before (at least not as much)
It's hilarious how someone hitting someone with the front wing is the worlds biggest foul now, when the same people haven't whined about it before (at least not as much)
He was losing time relative to the low order of the top ten, so even if a safety car came out and bunched everything up he still wouldn't have been gaining on them. IIRC he's on his 4'th engine already, with only 1 left before a penalty. A 5 grid slot penalty is going to be worse for his championship than gaining a single point or two here as it will inevitably place him being Rosberg should it occur. Shows that he's still thinking of the long game.
Different situations, different reactions.
Well there's plenty of those that have happened in corners, in exact similar manner (meaning the one behind flat tires the one ahead with front wing), the fact that this was Hamilton & Rosberg shouldn't change anything.
It's sad that the stewards most of the time investigate these only if one of the team(s) involved ask them to, as I'm sure they wouldn't have penalized Rosberg for this.
He has a complete pit crew behind him that should be more than able to make those calls for him.
Retiring a car that works would cost him a penalty, thinking of the long game? No.
You're just about the only person in the world who thinks that Hamilton was at fault, and that includes Rosberg. He has taken responsibility and said it was his own error in judgement. AT the point where you are trying to say it was Hamilton's fault when Rosberg himself has said it wasn't just shows how much you care about having a go at Hamilton and how little you care about pesky things like facts.
No, because Rosberg wouldn't have taken responsibility if it was due to Hamilton breaking the rules, because then it would have been Hamilton's fault...
Kaotik, racing line was Hamilton's. You can look at "perfect racing lines" all you want, but he was crowded by Nico [who was always significantly behind him], and racer in the front has the power to use the best racing line that he can achieve. The fact that he entered that corner from different entry point means absolutely nothing.
