Electric Vehicle Thread!

[Albuquerque]

I've yet to use my Tesla in the dire cold; I'm told there is a for-purpose defrost mode which is not the same as the battery conditioning or the normal HVAC control. My understanding is the defrost mode runs all heating methods/elements at 100% to accelerate melting all the ice/frost off any exposed surface. If the internet is to be believed, it can get the job done inside of 15 minutes.

For whatever it's worth, I have the Model Y which uses a heatpump rather than an electro-resistive element heater. As such, if the temperature outside is above freezing, cabin heat can be very power efficient. Once the temp is close enough to freeze, the pump functions as a electric element heater just from the motion of the pump itself. IIRC the Model Y is the only model in the Tesla lineup with a heatpump.

As a general rule, Tesla encourages owners to leave their cars plugged in at all times while at home. Any preconditioning will require power, and as such you'd prefer that power be drawn from the wall rather than draining your battery.

 

[Jawed]

Beyond bonkers in all sorts of ridiculous ways:

 

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Lucid Air Review 2022 | Top Gear

Lucid’s first production car draws an indelible line in the sand for electric cars. Vast performance, even vaster range

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Rivals not strictly limited to Tesla. While the Model S was naturally on Lucid’s radar when it designed the Air, its engineering team actually had another car top of mind during development: the Mercedes S-Class. Yep, not even the electric EQS.

The Air is here to rip the old guard in two, with the big German three limos all potential victims. The Audi A8, BMW 7 Series and benchmark Merc are where Lucid sees itself nabbing new customers from. Which is probably why its headline figure isn’t its 0-60mph time, but its range: up to 520 miles depending on the version you choose. Just like a big ol’ tank o’ diesel used to provide.

 

[orangpelupa]

gov will be giving ~5000 USD subsidy for BEV in my region, next year. if approved by the govt.

that would make Wuling Air BEV very tantalizing.

 

[eastmen]

This is a really big issue. I think we need another 20 years worth of build out and better designs for charging before ev's are ready


This second video is why the only option for me on the east coast is a tesla ( I drive a few times a year from NJ to Orlando) He drives from NJ to Jacksonville Florida and talks about how bad the charging options are.

I would totally buy the rivian SUV but charging is a huge mess. I'd be okay charging at home but if i want to leave my general area it be a big issue


For my drive



This is about a 21 hour drive because of all the charging



So for me this would add about 5 hours to my trip time. I would fill up my gas tank twice on the way down each stop is about 5 minutes maybe 10 if we add a bathroom break and grabbing some drinks and snacks. Remember this is best case as Tesla has built out a lot of charger capacity. Other companies just don't have the same amount of chargers otu there

 

[orangpelupa]

The charging infrastructure is way worse in my region, and despite there will be subsidy in 2023 for BEV and Hybrids, Toyota still refuse to bring prius.

A prius prime would be perfect for my region

 

[eastmen]

The charging infrastructure is way worse in my region, and despite there will be subsidy in 2023 for BEV and Hybrids, Toyota still refuse to bring prius.

A prius prime would be perfect for my region

That is scary to hear.

 

[BRiT]

This is about a 21 hour drive because of all the charging

Do you really need to stop at all those stations? Or get a full charge at each one if you do? Would a quicker charge to 80% be faster and cut off the time? I'm not going to figure out the exact distance between the listed stations.

 

[eastmen]

Do you really need to stop at all those stations? Or get a full charge at each one if you do? Would a quickwr charge to 80% be faster and cut off the time? I'm not going to figure out the exact distance between the listed stations.

I just used the tesla site. I dunno what would change if I charged more at one site and traveled as far as could to the next.

 

[Mariner]

Ideally, a charging infrastructure is something which ought to be funded/supported by government as the transition away from fossil fuels is so vital. Unfortunately, I suspect that the governments of most countries aren't forward-thinking enough to consider this, or are in hock to the oil companies in one way or another.

 

[eastmen]

Ideally, a charging infrastructure is something which ought to be funded/supported by government as the transition away from fossil fuels is so vital. Unfortunately, I suspect that the governments of most countries aren't forward-thinking enough to consider this, or are in hock to the oil companies in one way or another.

In the USA with they are giving tax credits to well off/ rich ev buyers vs building out a grid. Its just more performance thearter acting like they are doing something good for the environment

 

[AlphaWolf]

I just used the tesla site. I dunno what would change if I charged more at one site and traveled as far as could to the next.

Charging times are much faster to 80%. Charging to full can take an hour.

Assuming a 300 mile range. Drive 200 miles do a 15m charge then drive 200 more miles 15 min charge then 300 more stop for night costs you 30 min charging during travel for 700 miles. If you drive 300 miles you will need to charge for an hour. So ideally you want to stop earlier when you will be continuing travel for the day and only 100% charge when stopping for the night.

It's obvious the full infrastructure isn't there yet, but it's getting better despite the efforts from the oil lobby to make improvements as much of a cluster fuck as possible.

 

[eastmen]

Charging times are much faster to 80%. Charging to full can take an hour.

Assuming a 300 mile range. Drive 200 miles do a 15m charge then drive 200 more miles 15 min charge then 300 more stop for night costs you 30 min charging during travel for 700 miles. If you drive 300 miles you will need to charge for an hour. So ideally you want to stop earlier when you will be continuing travel for the day and only 100% charge when stopping for the night.

It's obvious the full infrastructure isn't there yet, but it's getting better despite the efforts from the oil lobby to make improvements as much of a cluster fuck as possible.

yes the question however is if there will be a charger when I need it or not. I am guessing the tesla site picked those chargers and those times to keep me moving to my destination without stopping for to long and having another location to charge.

Petersburg VA to Roucky mount NC is 105 miles
Petersburg VA to Fayetteville NC is 186 miles
Petersburg VA to Florence SC is 270 miles
Petersburg VA to Santee SC is 336 - 365m
Petersburg VA to Hardeeville is 427 to 456 miles

So how much range would the model x get on 80% charge
The model x gets 333-348 miles at a 100% charge depending on the version So we can see that a 100% charge would just barely get you from Petersburg VA to Santee SC as that is 336-365 miles . I am guessing best case senario 80% is 278 miles based on the higher range model of tesla x suv. So that would realistically put Florence out of the picture since that is 270m. Some traffic could strand the person on the side of the high way. So with an 80% charge we are looking at Fayeetteville . So the only skip you can do is Rocky Mount NC by charging to 80%

Tesla Model X Supercharging 0-100%: How Long Does It Really Take?

Many electric cars charge quicker than they used to, but it can still take some time. How long should you expect to spend at a Tesla Supercharger?

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This article shows a model x on V2 takes 1 hour to hit 80% and 2 hours and 20 minutes to hit 100%

I found a model 3 long range with the V3 supercharger

seems to be much faster about 26 minutes to go from 2% to 80% that is great. To get to 97% was 55ish minutes.

I guess however not all charging spots are V3 and if you are stuck at v2 it will take much longer which could be an issue on a road trip where you don't know what you will get to charge on. a half an hour vs an hour really changes a trip time. I'd also be really worried to push it to far. Even with my equinox I stop for gas when I get a quarter of a tank and gas stations are every where and triple a can come with a few gallons of gas and I am on the road again. I am sure tesla also would rather you have a good 20-40 miles of charge left between stops .

The network of charging needs to improve and remember this is tesla's network of chargers. For other EVs the options are way worse

 

[wco81]

In the USA with they are giving tax credits to well off/ rich ev buyers vs building out a grid. Its just more performance thearter acting like they are doing something good for the environment

Charging times are much faster to 80%. Charging to full can take an hour.

Assuming a 300 mile range. Drive 200 miles do a 15m charge then drive 200 more miles 15 min charge then 300 more stop for night costs you 30 min charging during travel for 700 miles. If you drive 300 miles you will need to charge for an hour. So ideally you want to stop earlier when you will be continuing travel for the day and only 100% charge when stopping for the night.

It's obvious the full infrastructure isn't there yet, but it's getting better despite the efforts from the oil lobby to make improvements as much of a cluster fuck as possible.

They passed a bill allocating billions for chargers.

It's going to take awhile to design and build out though. I don't know if the federal govt. is going to implement or give money to the states to implement.

 

[eastmen]

They passed a bill allocating billions for chargers.

It's going to take awhile to design and build out though. I don't know if the federal govt. is going to implement or give money to the states to implement.

It's going to take decades to catch up to gas stations at the rate they are going.

 

[wco81]

I don't think the intent is to have the same density as gas stations, since a lot of people will charge at home.

The other factor is it's going to put a lot of mechanics out of business because EVs need less maintenance.

Last week, I spent $50 (on a coupon) to get my oil changed and 2-3 hours waiting for it. I won't miss that BS any more.

If you look on Yelp for automotive services in your area, a lot of it are things like oil change, various filters and also the smog test. Lot of small businesses depend on these kinds of maintenance work that EVs simply won't need.

 

[AlphaWolf]

I don't think the intent is to have the same density as gas stations, since a lot of people will charge at home.

The other factor is it's going to put a lot of mechanics out of business because EVs need less maintenance.

Last week, I spent $50 (on a coupon) to get my oil changed and 2-3 hours waiting for it. I won't miss that BS any more.

If you look on Yelp for automotive services in your area, a lot of it are things like oil change, various filters and also the smog test. Lot of small businesses depend on these kinds of maintenance work that EVs simply won't need.

It's going to take many years for this change over. If they banned ICE vehicles today it would still be a decade or more before most private vehicles were electric. They can't meet demand now and something like 5% of new vehicles are electric in NA.

 

[tuna]

This is a really big issue. I think we need another 20 years worth of build out and better designs for charging before ev's are ready


This second video is why the only option for me on the east coast is a tesla ( I drive a few times a year from NJ to Orlando) He drives from NJ to Jacksonville Florida and talks about how bad the charging options are.

I would totally buy the rivian SUV but charging is a huge mess. I'd be okay charging at home but if i want to leave my general area it be a big issue


For my drive

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This is about a 21 hour drive because of all the charging

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So for me this would add about 5 hours to my trip time. I would fill up my gas tank twice on the way down each stop is about 5 minutes maybe 10 if we add a bathroom break and grabbing some drinks and snacks. Remember this is best case as Tesla has built out a lot of charger capacity. Other companies just don't have the same amount of chargers otu there

If you are going to take actual breaks for food and rest you don't add that much (a couple of hours) to your total travel time. Of course, long distance trips will always be a worse experience than an ICE car, but I manage quite ok even in my crappy EV.

 

[eastmen]

I don't think the intent is to have the same density as gas stations, since a lot of people will charge at home.

The other factor is it's going to put a lot of mechanics out of business because EVs need less maintenance.

Last week, I spent $50 (on a coupon) to get my oil changed and 2-3 hours waiting for it. I won't miss that BS any more.

If you look on Yelp for automotive services in your area, a lot of it are things like oil change, various filters and also the smog test. Lot of small businesses depend on these kinds of maintenance work that EVs simply won't need.

Charging at home only gets you 100% Doesn't so much for a road trip. Also what about all the people who live in cities or apartments in the suburbs ?

Not only that but if we look at charging at home well

Charging Your Tesla

Learn more about the variety of Tesla charging options that can accommodate your lifestyle and driving needs.

www.tesla.com

Wall Connector

A Tesla Wall Connector offers the fastest charging speed for your home or office, adding up to 44 miles of range per hour charged. You can order a Wall Connector online and have it installed by a Tesla Certified electrician.

The wall connector is $350 itself and then you need an electrician to install it. Looking at the specs it isn't a standard 240volt connector. So I am sure its going to be at least $1k to install it

If you don't want to install a Wall Connector, you can purchase a Mobile Connector and plug into a standard three-prong, 120 volt outlet. A 120 volt outlet will supply 2 to 3 miles of range per hour charged. If you charge overnight and drive less than 30 to 40 miles per day, this option should meet your typical charging needs.

You can also purchase an adapter bundle and charge with other outlet types, including a 240 volt outlet. Commonly used in homes to power larger appliances, a 240 volt outlet will supply up to 30 miles of range per hour charged.

Looks like just charging it on a standard wall outlet will set you back about $200 but man 2-3 miles an hour is pretty bad. Looks like a 240 volt outlet is the smart play if you are buying any of these products

Rivian Portable Charger​

Comes standard with every Rivian. It plugs into both a

240V outlet

240V Outlet​

A 240V outlet is a higher voltage outlet typically used for larger appliances such as cooking ranges, electric dryers and water heaters. They are also commonly found at RV parks. To charge your Rivian vehicle with a 240V outlet, you can use the Portable Charger which is compatible with a NEMA 14-50 outlet.
— delivering up to 16 miles of charge each hour for the R1T and R1S — as well as a standard

120V outlet

120V Outlet​

120V outlets are standard electrical outlets that are typically found throughout your home. These outlets can be used in a pinch for charging with the Portable Charger, providing a few miles of range per hour.
, your typical household plug.

It looks like most of these companies have 240V options so instead of going all in on a tesla charger the standard 240 would give you more options going forward. Dunno what tesla is doing to get double the charging rate out of a standard 240volt outlet however. But that is still going to cost money to do on top of the already more expensive car to buy. Also like I said apartment buildings aren't set up for this

If you are going to take actual breaks for food and rest you don't add that much (a couple of hours) to your total travel time. Of course, long distance trips will always be a worse experience than an ICE car, but I manage quite ok even in my crappy EV.

That is assuming there are food places to stop at with chargers. It'd would be smart for a company to make a deal with mc donalds or yum brands and put out chargers at their fast food establishments. By me the only super chargers are about 15 minutes away and until recently there was just a stop and shop. Now there is a popeyes on the other side of the parking lot.

Also for me we don't take many breaks driving. On i95 there are rest stops that typically have bathrooms , vending machines and a picnic area. We will stop at one of those when we need a bathroom. There are some stops with a food court like area but that is few and far between and mostly in NJ/PA / Maryland. Gas stations are typically right off i95 and you never have to drive more than a mile off the road or so. I can't say the same for charging stations.

They really need to blanket areas with charging stations. They should have passed a law that with any new gas station or refurbishment of a gas station they needed to add chargers. In my area in the last 4-5 years they have built multiple wawas and other gas stations like them. They have big banks of pumps and a large store that make sandwiches and shakes and so on. Its pretty decent food actually esp for a road trip. The south east has buckees which is similar but has really good bqq

Parking in a walmart doesn't compare

 

[Pressure]

This is a really big issue. I think we need another 20 years worth of build out and better designs for charging before ev's are ready


This second video is why the only option for me on the east coast is a tesla ( I drive a few times a year from NJ to Orlando) He drives from NJ to Jacksonville Florida and talks about how bad the charging options are.

I would totally buy the rivian SUV but charging is a huge mess. I'd be okay charging at home but if i want to leave my general area it be a big issue


For my drive

View attachment 7971

This is about a 21 hour drive because of all the charging

View attachment 7972

So for me this would add about 5 hours to my trip time. I would fill up my gas tank twice on the way down each stop is about 5 minutes maybe 10 if we add a bathroom break and grabbing some drinks and snacks. Remember this is best case as Tesla has built out a lot of charger capacity. Other companies just don't have the same amount of chargers otu there

Is this a genuine concern in Northern America? How often do you need to take a 16 hours road trip in a car?

My Volkswagen ID.4 barely does over half the rated distance when it's cold here in Denmark (below 0℃), so I wouldn't dream of going on a longer road trip in it. You will also be going quite slow as speeding over 90 km/h will drain the battery much faster and there really aren't that many fast DC chargers along the way either.

Some of it is my own fault as I never charge it above 80% unless I really need to go somewhere out of the way.