All purpose Sales and Sales Rumors and Anecdotes [2017 Edition]

[djskribbles]

I was wondering when that would happen. Sony needed to do "something" as demand for PS4-P had basically cratered after the XBO-X launched. At least in the US. In other parts of the world it probably still had decent demand and likely still outsells the XBO-X.

Then again it may have cratered even before the XBO-X launch. Sales for PS4-P haven't been great in the US outside of its first 2-3 months. I imagine it declined even further after XBO-X came out, however. Of course, it's entire possible that XBO-X sales will mirror those of PS4-P, albeit with higher initial sales due to non-limited stock.

Regards,
SB

What proof do you have that Pro sales 'cratered'? Please don't say Amazon's charts. The only source where we get sales of Pro is in Japan, where Pro is consistently 20-25% of all PS4 sales, which is inline with what Sony stated overall last year. There has been nothing to make me believe that number has dropped. In Japan alone, PS4 Pro has sold ~363K in 2017, which is over 22% of all PS4 sales this year so far.

If we assume the 20% still holds true, and the fact that Sony sold 20.6M PS4s in the past 12 months, that's 4.12M PS4 Pros sold in the past 12 months, which does not include its launch month sales. XB1X sold 430K in its launch month in the US (which is most likely the majority of all sales)... it still has a lot of catching up to do.

Sony didn't really have to do anything, people in retail at ResetEra are saying that XB1X sales are already slowing significantly. MS is now even bundling their biggest 'exclusive' in PUBG for free. It has been proven that you cannot sustain high sales at $500. I fully expected XB1X to have a big launch, followed by a steep decline. XB1X is ~4.5x the power of the base system, a lot of existing Xbox fans are going to upgrade, not so much XB1X steeling customers from Sony/PS4 Pro.

Sony is simply running a temporary promo during the holidays, just as they are with the Slim. I wouldn't consider this a reaction to XB1X's successful launch at all. In the end, XB1X and PS4 Pro are both niche products. Sony/MS' bread and butter will always be their base systems unless they decide to discontinue them. I'm sure Sony isn't too concerned about PS4 Pro's performance relative to XB1X.

Also, there haven't been any supply issues for XB1X since late November. PS4 Pro also had (perhaps to a lesser degree) supply issues early on. Sony underestimated the demand for Pro at launch and undershipped a lot of markets in EUR. They didn't push Pro nearly as much as MS pushed XB1X, and probably thought it was a very niche product.

 

[chris1515]

What proof do you have that Pro sales 'cratered'? Please don't say Amazon's charts. The only source where we get sales of Pro is in Japan, where Pro is consistently 20-25% of all PS4 sales, which is inline with what Sony stated overall last year. There has been nothing to make me believe that number has dropped. In Japan alone, PS4 Pro has sold ~363K in 2017, which is over 22% of all PS4 sales this year so far.

If we assume the 20% still holds true, and the fact that Sony sold 20.6M PS4s in the past 12 months, that's 4.12M PS4 Pros sold in the past 12 months, which does not include its launch month sales. XB1X sold 430K in its launch month in the US (which is most likely the majority of all sales)... it still has a lot of catching up to do.

Sony didn't really have to do anything, people in retail at ResetEra are saying that XB1X sales are already slowing significantly. MS is now even bundling their biggest 'exclusive' in PUBG for free. It has been proven that you cannot sustain high sales at $500. I fully expected XB1X to have a big launch, followed by a steep decline. XB1X is ~4.5x the power of the base system, a lot of existing Xbox fans are going to upgrade, not so much XB1X steeling customers from Sony/PS4 Pro.

Sony is simply running a temporary promo during the holidays, just as they are with the Slim. I wouldn't consider this a reaction to XB1X's successful launch at all. In the end, XB1X and PS4 Pro are both niche products. Sony/MS' bread and butter will always be their base systems unless they decide to discontinue them. I'm sure Sony isn't too concerned about PS4 Pro's performance relative to XB1X.

Also, there haven't been any supply issues for XB1X since late November. PS4 Pro also had (perhaps to a lesser degree) supply issues early on. Sony underestimated the demand for Pro at launch and undershipped a lot of markets in EUR. They didn't push Pro nearly as much as MS pushed XB1X, and probably thought it was a very niche product.

Coming from resetera,

#174 Amazon UK
#154 Amazon France
#231 Amazon Italy
#732 Amazon Spain
#170 Amazon Germany

https://www.resetera.com/threads/np...-ww2-1-sw-ps4-1-hw.11227/page-22#post-2159935

And out of UK Xbox One S are not in the top 100. In France in Micromania(GameStop) the situation is as bad as in Amazon, PS4 Pro selling better than Xbox One S and Xbox One X and PS4 out selling by far the two combined... Demand fall like everywhere since the beginning of 2017...

PlayStation is a global brand.

For the discount they were probably prepared since a long time. Before holidays Sony said they will be a little more aggressive with discount.

 

[DrJay24]

Amazon finally has some stuff back in stock:

$249 PS4 1TB bundle is #4
$199 XB1S 500,000,000KB bundle is #27

$499 XBX #37
$399 PS4P #45

Edit: Not sure the PS4 Pro number is very accurate, there are two in-stock SKUs.

 

[AlNom]

500 MB

 

[Goodtwin]

500 MB

Have you not heard? Untextured games is the future.

 

[BRiT]

500 MB

Stream from The Cloudz!

 

[Rangers]

Coming from resetera,



https://www.resetera.com/threads/np...-ww2-1-sw-ps4-1-hw.11227/page-22#post-2159935

And out of UK Xbox One S are not in the top 100. In France in Micromania(GameStop) the situation is as bad as in Amazon, PS4 Pro selling better than Xbox One S and Xbox One X and PS4 out selling by far the two combined... Demand fall like everywhere since the beginning of 2017...

PlayStation is a global brand.

For the discount they were probably prepared since a long time. Before holidays Sony said they will be a little more aggressive with discount.

Well I just checked Amazon Uk (only one I checked) Xbox is higher than PS4 there, #72 vs #98 respective top SKU's currently.

Not that it means anything. For instance USA Amazon it seemed what happened this month is several PS/Xbox SKU's got discontinued, eventually they settled on 249 1TB PS4 with SW: BF, and 199 500GB Xbox with Hot Wheels. Since those settled into stock they've been climbing the charts while other discontinued SKU's plummeted, but for the monthly may still be low. Such idiosyncrasies make it hard to get an overall picture even if it was valid.

 

[London Geezer]

Without knowing what share of the sales figures belong to Amazon, it’s simply impossible to figure out what their numbers mean.

I never thought I’d say this but I bought my partner a Switch for Xmas. It seems to be doing pretty well here in the UK. Not sure I’ll ever touch it but he will. There’s some majorly well reviewed games on it already.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Well I just checked Amazon Uk (only one I checked) Xbox is higher than PS4 there, #72 vs #98 respective top SKU's currently.

Occulus Rift listed higher than PS4. OVR more successful than PS4!! Expect 3 million OVRs sold this Christmas!

Also, the post you replied to said, "outside of the UK," so only checking UK, I don't know what your counterargument is. And the post he was responding to was talking about XB1X and 4Pro ("4Pro's sales fallen off a cliff." "XB1X isn't selling anywhere in EU."), so not sure what use checking XB1 and PS4 in UK Amazon Hourly Ranking is in contributing to that line of discussion.

 

[chris1515]

Well I just checked Amazon Uk (only one I checked) Xbox is higher than PS4 there, #72 vs #98 respective top SKU's currently.

Not that it means anything. For instance USA Amazon it seemed what happened this month is several PS/Xbox SKU's got discontinued, eventually they settled on 249 1TB PS4 with SW: BF, and 199 500GB Xbox with Hot Wheels. Since those settled into stock they've been climbing the charts while other discontinued SKU's plummeted, but for the monthly may still be low. Such idiosyncrasies make it hard to get an overall picture even if it was valid.

Like I said out of UK and I don't talk about hourly or monthly Amazon chart. I speak about yearly Amazon chart no Xbox One S and Xbox One X in France for example in top 100 last time I cheked. PS4 Pro is between 70-90. I don't remember exact number... In France Amazon is the biggest online retailer and Micromania(Gamestop) the biggest videogame physical retailer.

 

[BRiT]

I never thought I’d say this but I bought my partner a Switch for Xmas. It seems to be doing pretty well here in the UK. Not sure I’ll ever touch it but he will.

Switch, the console and not Switch the whip?

 

[iroboto]

Without knowing what share of the sales figures belong to Amazon, it’s simply impossible to figure out what their numbers mean.

I never thought I’d say this but I bought my partner a Switch for Xmas. It seems to be doing pretty well here in the UK. Not sure I’ll ever touch it but he will. There’s some majorly well reviewed games on it already.

Don’t lie London Boy! It was a present for yourself!

 

[London Geezer]

Mmmmaybe!!!

 

[Shortbread]

Speaking of the UK....

2017 was an incredible year for the PlayStation 4 in the UK, with Sony's console accounting for one out of every two games sold at retail.

Data provided to GamesIndustry.biz by UKIE and GfK Chart-Track shows that PS4 represented 50.2% of all physical software sales over the course of the year. The nearest competitor was Xbox One, which accounted for 31.6% of all games sold.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

So 5:3 ratio in UK. That's very strong for XB I'd say.

 

[Arwin]

UK has traditionally had very strong Xbox sales though hasn’t it? Wasn’t it the only European country where 360 was beating PS3?

 

[DrJay24]

So 5:3 ratio in UK. That's very strong for XB I'd say.

Compared to what? The 360 dominated the PS3 last gen in the UK, so it's probably a big swing towards Sony.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Compared to what?

Compared to the 2:1 and worse everywhere else. I was expecting it to be further behind in the UK.

 

[Rangers]

That's somewhat weak for Xbox in UK IMO. I would have expected maybe a 60/40 split. Although I guess that would be PS vs XBox only not counting other plats. And of course we know USA and Uk will be by far Xbox's strongest markets...most big multiplats seem to do about a 60/40 split when we get that info, although sometimes maybe a bit higher than that toward PS4.

They said PS4 was the first console to take over 50% share for a year. I thought about PS2, but I bet a actual retail PC market (now all digital) and strong handhelds prevented that back then.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I would have expected maybe a 60/40 split

A 5:3 ratio is a 62.5% to 37.5% ratio...