All purpose Sales and Sales Rumors and Anecdotes [2016 Edition]

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In any space you put it, you'll still need 12.8" x 11.5" x 3.86" regardless of whether it has a curved top. Hence, internal volume is meaningless.

The most meaningful dimension is the one that's going to be the most limiting one. X1 is very wide, especially if you take into account the PSU.

Both my X360 and XBO PSUs are just stuffed behind my entertainment center with no regards to clutter or placement. Heck there are cords piled on top of the PSUs. They aren't delicate little flowers.

I don't like putting actively cooled things in place where they just suck up dust, and anything large and boxy I generally like to arrange in an orderly way.

And that is patently false. As stated you must still reseve at least 12.8" x 11.5" x 3.86" for the PS4 fat regardless of whether it has a curved top, divots, or any other physical characteristics. In other words, that space is unusable by any other device and is reserved for the sole purpose of housing the huge PS4.

Just like you must reserve at least 13.5" x 10.4" x 3.2" for the XBO. Although I suppose if you lived in quantum space or some such, and managed to hide half of the PS3 FAT in a wormhole or something, it may take up less immediate space in your entertainment center.

There is typically free space behind and above all consoles when they're in place. In practice, that's the way it works in pretty much every tv stand and cabinet. Once the console is in there, the space above and behind is unusable to anything else. The space to the side is where you fit more things in. The usable space an X1 voids off is unprecedented.

BTW - how is the external PSU ugly when nobody ever sees it? I suppose if you leave it out in front of your TV for some god awful reason? Then again if I left all the cables behind my entertainment center out in the open that would be an incredibly ugly mess as well.

I can see my PSU. I can see most folks' PSUs come to think of it. Perhaps things are different in the US vs Europe, but lightweight tv stands that you can see into and see through are common here, and as residential spaces are much smaller here than in the US some people have even taken to putting tvs directly onto walls and avoided having "entertainment centres" entirely.

It's also common for kids to want consoles in their bedrooms here, and they wouldn't typically have entertainment centres in their bedrooms.

I'm certainly not alone in this. Phil "I believe in" Spencer has said openly that they received lots of feedback that customers wanted the power brick gone. So much, in fact, that they engineered an internal power supply into their new system for the first time in a decade, bringing them into line with the far more successful Sony. So at the end of the day this is a thing that even MS themselves agree with.

Edit: I would certainly be interested to see if X1S boosts sales more in Europe than in the US. In the "pokey roomed" UK its done very well so far, but it remains to be seen if it'll have legs.
 
Edit: I would certainly be interested to see if X1S boosts sales more in Europe than in the US. In the "pokey roomed" UK its done very well so far, but it remains to be seen if it'll have legs.
:confused: Legs would make it even harder to fit into a entertainment centre, although I guess it could aid portability.
 
Except for far better numbers than the Xbox S, of course....

At what point did I dispute this?

His post already takes this into account. If you wanted a PS4 over an Xbox that would have happened already. Hence the massive sales lead they have over xbox.

The tldr of his message is that the slim was an opportunity to deal another serious blow to Xbox but they didn't capitalize on it. There's no real advantage of slim over fat, especially when you consider the price differential. Everyone who wants a PS4 because it has better specs XBO didn't need to wait for a slim. They already got it with the 4.

And if you have a 4 or are converting over from XBox, you'd probably go with the Pro.


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Thanks for spelling it out.
 
Amazon Xbox/PS hardware so far for October, as it's getting late in the month. Very weird Amazon chart month.

19. PSVR bundle (no console just the PSVR)
30. PS4 Pro (preorder obviously)
52. PS4 Slim 500 GB Uncharted 4 Bundle
55. PS4 500 GB
63. PS4 500 GB Uncharted 4 "limited edition" bundle
84. Xbox One 2TB Gears 4 bundle
89. Xbox One Madden 17 1TB bundle
98. Xbox One 1TB Battlefield 1 bundle


So, nothing charting that high, even PSVR and Pro not lighting up the charts. PSVR is sold out at Amazon but, I saw several at Wal Mart tonight so I dont think it's that hard to get. Meanwhile the top Xbox SKU is #84? And lotta unusual bundles on all sides (seems Amazon or third parties put some on sale, like PS4 vanilla and UC4 limited edition).

Well, you cant read it as anything but a PS4 win.
 
That's PS4P, it's so hot right now.

YTD 2016 on amazon US still climbing fast, and all those preorders will be counted in the same month.
17. PS4 COD
71. PS4 Pro
74. XB1 Gears
96. XB1S 2TB
98. PS4

It doesn't look like the Pro have any pre-order stock issues so far, unlike PSVR which they seriously underestimated the demand, even after delaying the launch for increasing production volume. Not sure how they'll have any PSVR stock for black friday or xmas shopping spree.
 
That's PS4P, it's so hot right now.

YTD 2016 on amazon US still climbing fast, and all those preorders will be counted in the same month.
17. PS4 COD
71. PS4 Pro
74. XB1 Gears
96. XB1S 2TB
98. PS4

It doesn't look like the Pro have any pre-order stock issues so far, unlike PSVR which they seriously underestimated the demand, even after delaying the launch for increasing production volume. Not sure how they'll have any PSVR stock for black friday or xmas shopping spree.

Wow. So PS4P has already overtaken best selling One SKU on Amazon? Wasn't expecting that at all. Sales should be huge.
 
That's PS4P, it's so hot right now.

YTD 2016 on amazon US still climbing fast, and all those preorders will be counted in the same month.
17. PS4 COD
71. PS4 Pro
74. XB1 Gears
96. XB1S 2TB
98. PS4

It doesn't look like the Pro have any pre-order stock issues so far, unlike PSVR which they seriously underestimated the demand, even after delaying the launch for increasing production volume. Not sure how they'll have any PSVR stock for black friday or xmas shopping spree.

Predicted this :)

Most powerful console wins...

I dunno about PSVR though, seems that dropped off the planet hypewise super fast after release. I mean judging by the usual "Neogaf front page" nonsense. Kinda makes me doubt VR again, but time will tell on that.
 
Apparently UK October hardware sales for PS/Xbox/WIIU leaked/were divulged. I saw it several days ago on GAF but have been tardy posting it.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...uk-console-sales-for-second-consecutive-month

Microsoft says that the Xbox One was the UK's best-selling console during October.

It means the machine has outsold PlayStation 4 for a second consecutive month for the first time. GfK figures shown to Gamesindustry.biz revealed that Xbox One narrowly outsold its nearest rival by 1,500 machines in September, whereas in October the gap has widened to 25,000 units.

Xbox One held a 56 percent share of the UK console hardware market in October (versus 42 percent for PS4 and 2 per cent for Wii U), selling 99,496 consoles.

So a pretty big October Xbox win in UK, makes me more bullish on the possibility of a October NPD Xbox win as well. Even though Amazon says otherwise. I had predicted PS4 would win October because of the release of PSVR.

After October I'm predicting PS4Pro will cause the PS4 to win the next 12 months in a row most likely, until Scorpio :D Although there's a slight possibility in my mind I guess that Xbox could either win some random month in the next year (just because even as Xbox One beats PS4 occasionally, and PS3 beat 360 from time to time as well) or maybe win Nov or Dec if MS go all out on holiday price promotions.

Will also be interesting to compare those UK hardware figures to USA Oct NPD. At a glance the number for Xbox seems high, as that'd be ~1/3 of 300k which would be a decent Oct Xbox NPD prediction, whereas UK population is only a 5th/6th of USA. So probably an outlier.
 
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If it was just going against Vanilla PS4 sure. But I think PS4 Pro release makes the task MUCH more difficult.
Sure, because if Pro wasn't launching there is no possible way that Sony would be making competitive change to preserve their lead. :rolleyes:
 
If it was just going against Vanilla PS4 sure. But I think PS4 Pro release makes the task MUCH more difficult.
That's not what I was implying.
XBO will likely sell more than 4Pro. PS4 is the harder one to beat.
This BF, only 2 consoles will be on sale, XBO and PS4. People don't go out on BF looking to buy things at full price. And 4Pro won't be discounted or have bundles close to PS4 and XBO.
I suspect both will surpass 4Pro units with ease during BF deal days.
You have to put things into perspective for 4Pro.
a) It's not coming off a 8 year wait for the next generation console
b) it runs the same games as PS4
c) not everyone can tell the difference

Factoring in the above consider:
a) Pre-orders for PS4 began in Feb 2013, giving total pre-order to delivery time, 8+ months; pro-rated (1 million preorders, 125K per month)
b) Sept 15 was pre-order timing for Pro, giving total pre-order time to sales end of Nov, 3 months. (assuming 4Pro has the same pent up demand as OG PS4, then you're looking at 125*3, 375K units in the month of Nov)
edit* math fail... i'm sick. yes excuses ftw

Both XBO and PS4 have both been consistently crushing 375K units in the month of Nov.

edit2: changing to June for stock. June - Oct, 5 months as per DSoup's post below.
200,000K units per month.

600K units for 4Pro in the absolute best case scenario.
 
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a) Pre-orders for PS4 began in Feb 2013, giving total pre-order to delivery time, 8+ months; pro-rated (1 million preorders, 125K per month)
June. No retailer was allocated stock until June 2013.
 
June. No retailer was allocated stock until June 2013.
oh, I thought retailers were receiving preorders before then though? (before official announcement, regardless of stock?)regardless, lemme re-calculate. edited my post.

Still, PS4 and XBO will do better than 600K. But if we're looking at combined NPD numbers, its going to be near impossible for XBO to beat them as a combined number.

I suspect 800K for PS4 + 600K for Pro, 1.4 M units is a lot for a single platform to cover.
 
So in reported sales figures, ps4 OG, slim and pro are all one big number?
Probably as it should be as that's the target audience for software sales and Sony's revenue. However, devs and pubs probably should have access to Pro numbers to know how much it's worth investing in Pro features.
 
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