Xbox 360 HD-DVD Interview
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The fact that they bto hcan do the same codecs means that they can use whichver one they want. as I said before because theyve been using the older codec before, for newer movies like MI 3 that will be different, its been stated on different articles as well as the one i posted. You can see which one is "superior"
Also the fact that he says HDMI is something not needed or rather not the future for HD is something to be laughed at. HDMI is the best connection for Hi Def. And the reason 360 wont be doing 1080 P is because almost every TV on the market that uses 1080P uses it thru a HDMI connection and not Component.
this is the way i see it.
1. Every HD TV comes with component.
2. There isn't a big difference in picture quality between HDMI, DVI, versus component. (think of HDMI as DVI with audio in a single cable.)
3. HDMI is not needed to display 1080p resoloution. It's possible over component, DVI, or VGA.
4. 1080p capable TV's is a SMALL fraction of the already small HDTV market.
5. There's lots of sets that support 1080p, however this is NOT the native TV resoloution on the majority of them. Many TV's that suppot 1080p are downscaling the image.
6. Xbox 360 can and will support 1080p res in games (this was already confirmed.)
1. Every HD TV comes with component.
2. There isn't a big difference in picture quality between HDMI, DVI, versus component. (think of HDMI as DVI with audio in a single cable.)
3. HDMI is not needed to display 1080p resoloution. It's possible over component, DVI, or VGA.
4. 1080p capable TV's is a SMALL fraction of the already small HDTV market.
5. There's lots of sets that support 1080p, however this is NOT the native TV resoloution on the majority of them. Many TV's that suppot 1080p are downscaling the image.
6. Xbox 360 can and will support 1080p res in games (this was already confirmed.)
Ike Turner
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There's no point, just look at his post history..
All the Sony 1080p Bravia's only accept 1080p via HDMI (and therefore DVI) and not through component or VGA and that's 100% sure.
The Samsungs are so far the only sets that will accept 1080p over component. All other manufacturers either haven't clarified or really haven't bothered, keeping 1080p input only through HDMI. VGA is usually capped too for some strange reason.
hmm this talk has gotten very intersting, but anyways the question was whether blu ray will start to use VC-1 I my self really dont care to much abotu storage space so right now as it stands HD DVD is superior to Blu ray movies- But that being said you guys are saying they wont ever Use VC-1. which makes no sense and here is the proof.
from wikipedia.
"Initial versions of Sony's Blu-ray Disc-authoring software only included support for MPEG-2 video, so the initial Blu-ray Discs were forced to use MPEG-2 rather than the newer codecs, VC-1 and H.264. An upgrade was subsequently released supporting the newer compression methods so the second wave of Blu-ray Disc titles were able to make use of this. The choice of codecs affects disc cost (due to related licensing/royalty payments) as well as program capacity. The two more advanced video codecs can typically achieve twice the video runtime of MPEG-2. When using MPEG-2, quality considerations would limit the publisher to around two hours of high-definition content on a single-layer (25 GB) BD-ROM."
Someone had said that sony only sent out software for support for mpeg-2 but they have since sent a new upgrade out for the other 2 codecs.
full article here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc
from wikipedia.
"Initial versions of Sony's Blu-ray Disc-authoring software only included support for MPEG-2 video, so the initial Blu-ray Discs were forced to use MPEG-2 rather than the newer codecs, VC-1 and H.264. An upgrade was subsequently released supporting the newer compression methods so the second wave of Blu-ray Disc titles were able to make use of this. The choice of codecs affects disc cost (due to related licensing/royalty payments) as well as program capacity. The two more advanced video codecs can typically achieve twice the video runtime of MPEG-2. When using MPEG-2, quality considerations would limit the publisher to around two hours of high-definition content on a single-layer (25 GB) BD-ROM."
Someone had said that sony only sent out software for support for mpeg-2 but they have since sent a new upgrade out for the other 2 codecs.
full article here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc
I'll match your WIKI link with an recent inteview from the Head of Blu Ray himself:http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/feature_visitwithsony.html
That's authoring for other studios since Sony does the final print once they receive the masters. Don't expect them to use VC-1 anytime soon for their own movies. And VGA is fine to do 1080P if your display supports it.
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One of your problems has to do with reading.
VC-1 is confirmed. There's just no telling which discs will use it...
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Samsung LCD's do also.
The thing thats stopping me from running to the shop's and buying one of the drive's when they release is this little voice in the back of my head saying " What if HD-DVD lose's to Blu-Ray?, you've wasted money "
If HD-DVD was here to stay id soon go and buy one, but with Blu-Ray having more support im split in my decision
And all the problems about not finding a TV that support 1080p over component, why dont you people just get one of these
If HD-DVD was here to stay id soon go and buy one, but with Blu-Ray having more support im split in my decision
And all the problems about not finding a TV that support 1080p over component, why dont you people just get one of these
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There are plenty of VC-1 and AVC releases from various studios. Warner in particular has had several VC-1 releases. Fox has announced a number of films encoded in AVC/H.264 and Disney has released a few AVC titles as well. AVC/H.264 has also been used on some titles in Japan. Beyond that, there are actually some really good MPEG-2 releases out there, consider this review of MI-3:
http://www.hometheaterspot.com/htsthreads/dvd-review.php?sequence=1617
No one is questioning other studios. This is about Sony and since I've seen you on avs, you'd know that it wasn't until recently that Sony updated their authoring tools to include VC-1 and AVC thus earlier warner titles were also in Mpeg2. Now they can use the same encode of VC-1 they did for HD DVD and give it to Sony and let them put it on a BR disc.
It's the consistancy of Mpeg2 that is the problem. MI:3, they use the full disc for feature + audio, which is fine but let's take a look deeper. According to Stacey Spears (and notice how his reputation is very solid) in this post: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8721933&&#post8721933 This gives you some bitrate info such as "For those interested, the avgerage bitrate on the BD version is about 4 Mbps higher than the peak bitrate on the VC-1 version.
I think the peak is ~15 Mbps higher. (peak to peak)"
Now if you run some numbers here is how it looks:
If VC-1 Peak bitrate = 20, then Mpeg Average bitrate = 24 (20+4)
If VC-1 Peak bitrate = 20, then Mpeg2 Peak bitrate = 35 (VC1 peak + 15)
That's VC-1 peak, seeing that VC-1 peaks are generally 50% higher than average you can put that down to 15 average for VC-1.
Now you're talking about a much more effecient codec giving the SAME quality. MI:3 is a dual disc for marketing purposes but had they tried to fit in onto a single disc, it's quite apparanty which codec is better suited for the job. I'm quite sure MI:3 is actually an old encode before Sony's authoring tools to include VC-1 were available. The reason I say this, the same encode for VC-1 on HD DVD can be used for BR so it'd make more sense to not double the workload for the studio and post houses.
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