Rumble Roses developer on PS3 & X360

[liverkick]

ugh

So cry about it, go to your little room and cry about it. "Oh noes....someone said something good about the Xbox 360 momy....they are mean to me...*starts crying*"..

Well I think the forum has officially hit rock bottom now.

 

[therealskywolf]

Well I think the forum has officially hit rock bottom now.

Yeah sorry, that was too much, i'll edit it out.

 

[dskneo]

G70 related to RSX, R520 does not relate to R500. anyway you should know more about me. I like Xbox 360 more than Playstation 3 but atleast I can ADMIT that X360 CPU will never surpass Cell even in 1st generation games

Jesus crist man!!!!!......... jesus!!!!

read my post again!

i gave the example of G70 and R520 about which one SET A NEW STANDARD and WHY!
G70 set a NEW STANDARD BECAUSE IT CAME FIRST..... R520 is said to be the same performance, but she IS VAPORWARE, ergo, not a NEW STANDARD until IT COMES and if its faster!...

RSX is vaporware..... it can never set a stardard at this point.

man... you have issues.

 

[avaya]

is that a racist overtone? using my last "muslim" name which isnt even public and using Crusade ?

How the hell can you confuse that as racist?

I read your blog mate.

It certainly wasn't a racist overtone.

 

[onetimeposter]

Jesus crist man!!!!!......... jesus!!!!

read my post again!

i gave the example of G70 and R520 about which one SET A NEW STANDARD and WHY!
G70 set a NEW STANDARD BECAUSE IT CAME FIRST..... R520 is said to be the same performance, but she IS VAPORWARE, ergo, not a NEW STANDARD!

RSX is vaporware..... it can never set a stardard at this point.

man... you have issues.

tsk tsk. eassyyyyyyyy this is not system wars, go out and get some fresh air. this is videogames, not life and death issues LOL, im just saying that G70 set a standard before R520 came out, but both have essentially the same PC architectures, but RSX and Xenos will be completely different because of difference in architectures. Cell is coming after Xbox 360 but it was completed before the 3 core Xbox 360 CPU.

 

[expletive]

Given the choice, id take the superior graphics over the superior CPU. Outside of this forum, people believe what they see. Better grfx will be an edge in the next console war, AA will be an edge, 60fps will be an edge, these things are slam dunks in terms of winning the 'perception war.'

Better physics or AI, is the (real) layperson going to really notice these things or care about them if they do?

With the focus on online play, AI will be coming into play even less as time goes on...

Interesting if the PS3 is as 'expesive' as Kutaragi says it will be. Then MS might be able to have a hardware advantage and a $200 price advantage.

They may end up with 30% market share again this generation but you have to give them credit, they did their homework.

J

 

[dskneo]

tsk tsk. eassyyyyyyyy this is not system wars, go out and get some fresh air. this is videogames, not life and death issues LOL, im just saying that G70 set a standard before R520 came out, but both have essentially the same PC architectures, but RSX and Xenos will be completely different because of difference in architectures. Cell is coming after Xbox 360 but it was completed before the 3 core Xbox 360 CPU.

god damn it man....

i said, every time a new Generation of graphics cards is reviewed, IT SETS A NEW STANDARD!
and i gave the example of G70 SETTING THAT STANDARD, and WHY 520 did not!

what the DEV said was, Xe-GPU as SET a new Standard.....
what you think he said was: "by saying Xe-gpu set a new standard and not saying RSX, he is already telling us that Xe-gpu is better."

learn.....to.....read.

 

[onetimeposter]

god damn it man....

i said, every time a new Generation of graphics cards is reviewed, IT SETS A NEW STANDARD!
and i gave the example of G70 SETTING THAT STANDARD, and WHY 520 did not!

what the DEV said was, Xe-GPU as SET a new Standard.....
what you think he said was: "by saying Xe-gpu set a new standard and not saying RSX, he is already telling us that Xe-gpu is better."

learn.....to.....read.

the thing is, its pretty simple. Xenos is atleast 2 generations ahead of competition. people arent even using Memexport yet. just imagine how that cool will be. RSX, even is a faster derivative of G70 (a Chip which was made at same time as Xenos) but implementated later for compatibility with FlexIO (Cell)

 

[dskneo]

the thing is, its pretty simple. Xenos is atleast 2 generations ahead of competition. people arent even using Memexport yet. just imagine how that cool will be. RSX, even is a faster derivative of G70 (a Chip which was made at same time as Xenos) but implementated later for compatibility with FlexIO (Cell)

speak with me: SPE-CU-LA-TION

whatever the other teamxbox buddys put in your head, speculation never never never is a reason to say X > Y.. specialy if Y is unknown.

come on.... its like you'r hooked by a girl, and anything that girls does, you believe its a sign she likes you.
ITs doesn't happen that way man.

Wait for RSX... then lets talk....

 

[onetimeposter]

speak with me: SPE-CU-LA-TION

whatever the other teamxbox buddys put in your head, speculation never never never is a reason to say X > Y.. specialy if Y is unknown.

come on.... its like you'r hooked by a girl, and anything that girls does, you believe its a sign she likes you.
ITs doesn't happen that way man.

Wait for RSX... then lets talk....

ATI delivered when they came from behind and beat Nvidia with the 9600 and 9800, they set the same standards of delivery with Xenos, they invested 3 years in this. 3 years on a new architecture which will THE future of ATI and now Nvidia GPU design

EDIT: on a sidenote its also speculation if Cell can be optimised to the max

 

[Bobbler]

the thing is, its pretty simple. Xenos is atleast 2 generations ahead of competition. people arent even using Memexport yet. just imagine how that cool will be. RSX, even is a faster derivative of G70 (a Chip which was made at same time as Xenos) but implementated later for compatibility with FlexIO (Cell)

That is a huge misconception. Xenos is archetecturally a generation ahead of R520 (R600 will be the first unified shader core for ATI). But performance wise it isn't -- that isn't even feasible, not sure where people got that (if ATI could bring out a chip now that is two generations ahead of Nvidia's part they would do it on PC in an instant -- that is where the money is for them). Do people not think at all? It seems you're getting ahead of yourself a bit.

I give up... this is it. I'm done!

 

[onetimeposter]

That is a huge misconception. Xenos is archetecturally a generation ahead of R520 (R600 will be the first unified shader core for ATI). But performance wise it isn't -- that isn't even feasible, not sure where people got that (if ATI could bring out a chip now that is two generations ahead of Nvidia's part they would do it on PC in an instant -- that is where the money is for them). Do people not think at all? It seems you're getting ahead of yourself a bit.

I give up... this is it. I'm done!

the card after R520 is R580 . and because Xenos comes after both R520 and R580, i said its 2 generations ahead. R600 will be the one using unified architecture..

 

[dskneo]

ATI delivered when they came from behind and beat Nvidia with the 9600 and 9800, they set the same standards of delivery with Xenos, they invested 3 years in this. 3 years on a new architecture which will THE future of ATI and now Nvidia GPU design

first, thats 9700 your talking about... 9800 came half a year later

Second, read this:
http://www.hexus.net/content/press_releases/press_release.php?dXJsX3ByZXNzX3JlbGVhc2VfSUQ9MTMyMw==
this document is dated from december 2004.

in the same document, the following is written:

Over the past two years NVIDIA has worked closely with Sony Computer Entertainment on their next-generation computer entertainment system. In parallel, we have been designing our next-generation GeForce GPU. The combination of the revolutionary Cell processor and NVIDIA's graphics technologies will enable the creation of breathtaking imagery that will surprise and captivate consumers.

December 2004 Minus 2 years = December 2002...... December 2002 to March 2006, its 3years and 3 months that SONY IS WORKING WITH NVIDIA

your facts are wrong. Time is not a tool to say "my dick is bigger"

 

[onetimeposter]

first, thats 9700 your talking about... 9800 came half a year later

Second, read this:
http://www.hexus.net/content/press_releases/press_release.php?dXJsX3ByZXNzX3JlbGVhc2VfSUQ9MTMyMw==
this document is dated from december 2004.

in the same document, the following is written:

December 2004 Minus 2 years = December 2002...... December 2002 to March 2006, its 3years and 3 months that SONY IS WORKING WITH NVIDIA

your facts are wrong. Time is not a tool to say "my dick is bigger"

The Geforce GPU G70 would have come out even if Sony would have used RSX or not.
it is also a fact that Sony was supposed to go with Dual Cell one for graphics and one for Processing, so that 3 year statement is a lie

 

[dskneo]

you saw what i said??....
by March 2006, its 3years and 3 months that sony is working with Nvidia.....

3 years...

ther argument you said about ATI being working with Microsoft for 3 years being an advantage over RSX, is wrong...
Sony is working with nvidia for 3 years also...

its a lie my ass...... SEE the link.
The link is dated from December 2004.

 

[Mefisutoferesu]

OK, besides from this thread being total crap and pssing me off to new heights. I want to say 3 things then I'll make my point. 1) I read this article 2 days ago or so, read the whole thing and didn't think much of it. It's not that big a deal. 2) Konami hires excellent developers with great style calling his team crap is not nice or IMHO correct. 3) Can Vysez or Sonic please tempban Onetimeposter until MGS (Metal Gear Shock) cools off and people are thinking straight?

That said, did anyone ever think that by "setting a new standard" he was talking about Unified Shaders, which is different from what we've been using for the last friggin' 10 years!!?!?!?!!? New standard != better power... it means different!!! ARRGGGHHHHH!!

 

[onetimeposter]

you saw what i said??....
by March 2006, its 3years and 3 months that sony is working with Nvidia.....

3 years...

ther argument you said about ATI being working with Microsoft for 3 years being an advantage over RSX, is wrong...
Sony is working with nvidia for 3 years also...

its a lie my ass...... SEE the link.
The link is dated from December 2004.

i think you need to learn something called silicon tape-out. G70 was taped out last year and so was Xenos. March 2006 is the release, the Silicon is made WELL before that.

 

[blakjedi]

That is a huge misconception. Xenos is archetecturally a generation ahead of R520 (R600 will be the first unified shader core for ATI). But performance wise it isn't -- that isn't even feasible, not sure where people got that (if ATI could bring out a chip now that is two generations ahead of Nvidia's part they would do it on PC in an instant -- that is where the money is for them). Do people not think at all? It seems you're getting ahead of yourself a bit.

I give up... this is it. I'm done!

What if:

-The technology on the whole doesnt belong to them (xenos is MS tech).

-The tech really is designed for two generations later (decem 04 versus decem 06)

-They will incorporate elements of the tech into current gen cards (R520 based on anandtech).

what if...?

 

[dskneo]

i think you need to learn something called silicon tape-out. G70 was taped out last year and so was Xenos. March 2006 is the release, the Silicon is made WELL before that.

whats the point.... you never gonna listen.

in babby steps:

the following Link is dated from 12-2004 http://www.hexus.net/content/press_releases/press_release.php?dXJsX3ByZXNzX3JlbGVhc2VfSUQ9MTMyMw==
in this same link, the information is:

TOKYO and SANTA CLARA, Calif., Dec. 7 Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCEI) and NVIDIA Corporation (Nasdaq: NVDA - News) today announced that the companies have been collaborating on bringing advanced graphics technology and computer entertainment technology to SCEI's highly anticipated next-generation computer entertainment system. Both companies are jointly developing a custom graphics processing unit (GPU) incorporating NVIDIA's next-generation GeForce(TM) and SCEI's system solutions for next-generation computer entertainment systems featuring the Cell* processor.

This collaboration is made under a broad, multi-year, royalty-bearing agreement. The powerful custom GPU will be the graphics and image processing foundation for a broad range of applications from computer entertainment to broadband applications. The agreement will encompass future Sony digital consumer electronics products.

"In the future, the experience of computer entertainment systems and broadband-ready PCs will be fused together to generate and transfer multi-streams of rich content simultaneously. In this sense, we have found the best way to integrate the state-of-the-art technologies from NVIDIA and SCEI," said Ken Kutaragi, executive deputy president and COO, Sony Corporation, and president and Group CEO, Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. "Our collaboration includes not only the chip development but also a variety of graphics development tools and middleware, essential for efficient content creation."

"We are thrilled to partner with Sony Computer Entertainment to build what will certainly be one of the most important computer entertainment and digital media platforms of the twenty-first century," added Jen-Hsun Huang, president and CEO, NVIDIA. "Over the past two years NVIDIA has worked closely with Sony Computer Entertainment on their next-generation computer entertainment system. In parallel, we have been designing our next-generation GeForce GPU . The combination of the revolutionary Cell processor and NVIDIA's graphics technologies will enable the creation of breathtaking imagery that will surprise and captivate consumers."

in 2004, they said its been 2 years..... thats 2002 when they begun working. Oh wait, the same year ATI and Microsoft joined together.

its not a lie... see the links, see the press-release. I gave facts.

Tape-outs its part of development.... it does not change the fact that sony is working with nvidia in 3 years.

oh and... RSX tape-out was this August.... i believe.

 

[onetimeposter]

whats the point.... you never gonna listen.

in babby steps:

the following Link is dated from 12-2004 http://www.hexus.net/content/press_releases/press_release.php?dXJsX3ByZXNzX3JlbGVhc2VfSUQ9MTMyMw==
in this same link, the information is:

in 2004, they said its been 2 years..... thats 2002 when they begun working. Oh wait, the same year ATI and Microsoft joined together.

its not a lie... see the links, see the press-release. I gave facts.

Tape-outs its part of development.... it does not change the fact that sony is working with nvidia in 3 years.

oh and... RSX tape-out was this August.... i believe.

RSX tapeout (Compatibility with Cell with FLEXIO) is not the same as upgrading from 6800 to 7800, RSX and G70 share essentially the SAME inner workings except for the fact that RSX has lesser memory bandwidth than 7800 GTX which is currently in development kits. it has a faster clock than 7800 GTX , slightly higher vertices performance, slightly higher shader performance, slightly higher shader ops per second and more transistors than 7800 GTX, its like the difference between the medium version of 7800 and GTX 7800