PS3 delayed in Europe until September 07? (CVG)
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FFIX was released in EU about two months before the PS2 launch, and it seems to be the same with FFXII and PS3.
I played the majority of FFIX on my PS2, and seems I'll be doing the same with FFXII.
Getting PS2 didn't keep me from playing the unfinished PSOne games, but it did keep me from buying any new PSOne games, I don't think any top games really were even released for PSOne after the PS2 launched.
Did MGS for PSOne launch after the PS2 had launched, I have a vague memory it did, and that I never bought it because of PS2 games that took my money and interest.
I played the majority of FFIX on my PS2, and seems I'll be doing the same with FFXII.
Getting PS2 didn't keep me from playing the unfinished PSOne games, but it did keep me from buying any new PSOne games, I don't think any top games really were even released for PSOne after the PS2 launched.
Did MGS for PSOne launch after the PS2 had launched, I have a vague memory it did, and that I never bought it because of PS2 games that took my money and interest.
Sure, allowing Linux to run on PS3 is a good thing, but why did they decide not to include support for one of the most important features of a console - the graphics hardware? It's just plain stupid.
Seems like Sony and MS dropped the ball a bit on their homebrew initiatives, but in their own ways.
Microsoft has XNA Game Studio Express, which seems like it has support to utilize most of the Xbox360 features. However the fact that you have to pay $99 a year to be able to run stuff on your 360 and have no way to distribute your programs to other 360 owners not good at all.
Sony did most things right - Linux, completely open, you can distribute your apps however you want etc. Then they decide not to release drivers for a core component of the hardware.
The PC point has nothing to do with it. Sure I can develop apps for PC, but having a fixed system for hobby developing would be really cool. For a demoscene coder like me it would be great to write a demo and have it run exactly the same for everyone.
Well, there were some that could be considered as those. Just browse gamerankings and set up the search for PS1 games released 2001. You'll see quite a selection of good games (too many to list here). After that, the focus on PS1 games shifted to younger owners, as naturally most PS1 went either into oblivion or were given away to children. And you can still track releases in 2004 (remember to set minimum reviews to 0)!
The PS2 will not die anytime soon. And while the PS1 graphics lacked some very basic functions (like texture filtering and perspective correction) which hurt they eyes a bit, PS2 still does look somewhat pretty today. Not GeForce-8800-super-high-res-with-uber-AA-and-AF-pretty but still very enjoyable. Some will settle with nothing but the best but for most gamers the psychological strain is not that heavy.
Baten, i dont know what kind of technical knowledge you posses, but Killzone 2 to look exactly like the E3 05 demo, is IMPOSSIBLE to do in realtime at that framerate. All you need to do is look at the amount of AA used, NO PS3 games will have 8x or more AntiAliasing. Its not possible if you want it to look reasonably good and have a framerate higher than 10fps.
Its not possible, because the PS3 doesnt have enough bandwidth to play around with that high AA numbers, amongst other things.
Please, dont even try to argue that blah blah blah, killzone with enough dev time put into the PS3, that works on GameFAQs, not here. We know whats impossible (for the most part) and Killzone 2, to look and play exactly as that trailer, is impossible.
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Yeah, but I really don't care what reasons Sony comes up with, the end results for potential buyers is the same.
Instead of getting a gaming machine that can double as a moderate PC with a good graphics card, now you get a gaming machine that can double as a moderate PC with an incredibly crappy 2D-only graphics card. I can't recall how long it has been since PCs had to rely on direct framebuffer access graphics only.
I hate this security crap, if I buy a machine, I want to be able to do whatever I want with it, not run into "Nooo! You can't do this. Not because it is impossible, but because we decided for you that you can't do it."
Well, I guess I'll pass on the PS3 then (unless it gets properly cracked).
To be fair, the reason a PC needs a good 3D card is for games. If you're not playing games, the 2D demands of the OS aren't too taxing. Hell, apart from when I'm 3D modelling, I could probably get by on a GF2 still! If the GPU accelerates text drawing etc. then it's worthwhile. But they don't. And customized methods on Cell ought to cover the 2D drawing very well if well implemented.
Unless you are a demoscene freak, or like creating your own games (the two main reasons I was interested in coding for PS3 linux), yeah, you get by with 2D only. I still think it could benefit from accelerating the GUI (moving windows, transparency etc.).
But as you say, depending on what you can get out of the SPEs, you could get some decent 2D performance probably.
DuckThor Evil
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That is incorrect... FF9 was released on February 2001 in Europe. PS2 was released in November 2000...However FF9 certainly didn't collect any dust in house as the PS2 games at that time were not very good. As for the FF12 release date, I think the date is not yet announced for Europe
Heh heh... that's true. It's just that people hate to see so much power sitting idling there.
Did i see this thread right?
I think it went a bit like this:
Crazy rumour: PS3 delayed till 2087!!!11
Some posters: Erm... how? why? where's proof? Oh look, Sony is saying it's on track for the March release, why not just believe them?
Others: Guilty till proven innocent! PS3 is delayed till 2087!!!
Some Others: But... CVG is the only one "reporting" this...
Others: Until we see it, PS3 is delayed until 2087!!!!
I mean, shouldn't it go the other way around? Until CVG can prove their claim, then we should just assume PS3 is on track. Why should Sony "prove" that the article (using the term loosely here) is wrong, other than telling us that PS3 is not delayed?
Now, i'm not disputing that it might actually be delayed, i mean i'd be the LAST to be surprised, i just don't like the fact that when one silly website comes out with a crazy rumour like that, people will just believe it at face value...
I think it went a bit like this:
Crazy rumour: PS3 delayed till 2087!!!11
Some posters: Erm... how? why? where's proof? Oh look, Sony is saying it's on track for the March release, why not just believe them?
Others: Guilty till proven innocent! PS3 is delayed till 2087!!!
Some Others: But... CVG is the only one "reporting" this...
Others: Until we see it, PS3 is delayed until 2087!!!!
I mean, shouldn't it go the other way around? Until CVG can prove their claim, then we should just assume PS3 is on track. Why should Sony "prove" that the article (using the term loosely here) is wrong, other than telling us that PS3 is not delayed?
Now, i'm not disputing that it might actually be delayed, i mean i'd be the LAST to be surprised, i just don't like the fact that when one silly website comes out with a crazy rumour like that, people will just believe it at face value...
scooby_dooby
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Well, the point is that Sony saying it's false is essentially meaningless. What are they supposed to say?? And why would anyone believe them anyways?
I don't think anyone would claim this article is 'proof' of anything, but the website is a fairly reputable source...which is more than I can say for Sony PR
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scooby_dooby said:
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=573089&postcount=2
(Sorry
But I remembered a debate re. CVG's credibility here before, and looking at it, I couldn't resist!)
It's all rather silly. Just the other week we had 'we're still on track for 1 million consoles in the pipeline by the end of the year.' And now we get Chubachi saying 2 million units shipped by the end of the year.
In my experience, at this point I'd say absolutely anything could happen! There's no point looking for evidence for or against, as it's just a mushy pile of conflicting stories. If PS3 numbers ramp up, that'll be seen way before March. And if not, PS3 might still launch, just with a handful of consoles. At which point, who cares? Whether PS3 launches in the EU or not is, at this point in time, pretty irrelevant. If Sony can't make the things in decent numbers, it doesn't matter what territories they're in!
In my experience, at this point I'd say absolutely anything could happen! There's no point looking for evidence for or against, as it's just a mushy pile of conflicting stories. If PS3 numbers ramp up, that'll be seen way before March. And if not, PS3 might still launch, just with a handful of consoles. At which point, who cares? Whether PS3 launches in the EU or not is, at this point in time, pretty irrelevant. If Sony can't make the things in decent numbers, it doesn't matter what territories they're in!
scooby_dooby
Legend
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http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=573089&postcount=2
(Sorry
Oops my mistake, I got these guys confused with someone else. They actually aren't very credible imo...
rendezvous
Regular
I just got this in the mail
It's in swedish so I'll do a rough translation.
This is a mail from Sony, with links to the registration site. (se seperate thread for link)
It's in swedish so I'll do a rough translation.
This is a mail from Sony, with links to the registration site. (se seperate thread for link)
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I don't see why that's the case. IMO, we should question everything. Just because CVG comes out with a rumor doesn't mean we should all assume its inverse. That we be just as benighted as assuming CVG's rumors are true.
We should instead look at the facts, but we've already done so, so the rumor serves no purpose to us.
That is a separate but related question, and the answer is that, of course, there's nothing more that Sony can reasonably do in the short term.
People easily believe what they want to be true.
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