It doesn't strike you as odd that they'd be holding back PS3s to hit Europe launch figures by significantly undercutting North America and Japan launch figures? Given Sony's treatment of Europe heretofore, I'd say that's a really far fetched theory.
PS3 delayed in Europe until September 07? (CVG)
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This would go against the Lean principles of production; what sits in storage is waste...
Personally, I'm of the opinion that releasing right now, but with the limited numbers they have, is actually doing more harm than good. They've effectively validated "Next Gen" consoles, but at a period where people are going out to look for gifts - without PS3's in availability I think that many will turn to the prime alternate rather than waiting. Had they left the launch later then there may not have been as much "next gen" pressure for XMas and may have slowed sales of the competition relatively.
So, personally, I think they are frantically pumping out as many as they can and getting them to stores so that people are picking those up now, rather than the competition.
So, personally, I think they are frantically pumping out as many as they can and getting them to stores so that people are picking those up now, rather than the competition.
Indeed. I'm not sure what they're thinking...
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Theres 2 PS3 threads so I didnt know where to post this 
Sony confident of hitting PS3 targets
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Sony confident of hitting PS3 targets
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Uhm... Which target? The initial 6M one, the adjusted 4M one, the corrected 2M one or the latest 1M one?
Uhm... Which target? The initial 6M one, the adjusted 4M one, the corrected 2M one or the latest 1M one?
More like whichever number they end up with, at the end of the year, both calendar and fiscal
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since the nice number of 399uk£ would be less then 600euro , they roudn up the numbers.
And its maybe bloody time, the UK joined also the EURO currency (like Ireland?) so they would have same prices.
btw in europe Tax is alwas included in prices (here in belgium , 21% ! )
About that 20g thing. when i preordered my ps3 in august, all the shops where saying they were not aware of a 20g ps3 and where told they only could sell 60g ps3
what would be great is if sony ditches the 20g ps3 and sells the 60g ps3 for only 499 here in europe!
Not to comment on what kind of the impact this will have for Sony as a whole... but I do know that I delay until September 07 wouldn't be all that bad for me. Sure, I can't wait to get a PS3, but seeing that Summer is usually the time I spend the least amount of time playing games and am rather outside enjoying the sun - I have no problem waiting. March/April would have been a non-issue as well, since that's when Spring starts overhere. September sounds about perfect for me - Summer will be nearing it's end and I'll be looking around for some time-consuming hobbies over Winter. A PS3 will probably be just about right.
How many others here in Europe think like that - who knows...
How many others here in Europe think like that - who knows...
I think the launch date in Europe should not be that important right now for Sony. If they have indeed solved the production problems, we will no doubt see it as re-scheduled, in March. If not, then it might take another month or two. Personally, I am so behind with my PS2 gamelist that I wont be bothered that much. And I yet have to buy a HDTV.
However, what I think it's really important for Sony on a more stringent "to do" list is getting out with a demo of a game that looks better than GofW. MS is getting huge momentum is the media right now and Sony is not countering with anything (apart from risible press releases). Game journalists and other media commenters seem to have come to a common conclusion that - although on paper the PS3 might be slightly more powerfull - the 360 is the better console to have for the short and medium forseeble future. And of course they can prove that with GofW (and not only), and with multiplatform games looking better on the 360.
If this trend continues, Sony stands to loose more customers than they are prepared to, or will be able to get back in the long run. So, if Sony was my company to play with, I would push everbody and his dog to get me a demo of Killzone2 or something similar (looking like the E3-05 stuff - assuming this is possible on the PS3, of course, as Sony claims) to keep the flag up for the masses. I underline "demo" and not trailers or images, or CGI stuff. Sony need to give to the Playstation fidels something that tickle their pride.
In the end, MS was quite right when they said "come november, PS3 might have Blu-Ray, but we have GofW" .
However, what I think it's really important for Sony on a more stringent "to do" list is getting out with a demo of a game that looks better than GofW. MS is getting huge momentum is the media right now and Sony is not countering with anything (apart from risible press releases). Game journalists and other media commenters seem to have come to a common conclusion that - although on paper the PS3 might be slightly more powerfull - the 360 is the better console to have for the short and medium forseeble future. And of course they can prove that with GofW (and not only), and with multiplatform games looking better on the 360.
If this trend continues, Sony stands to loose more customers than they are prepared to, or will be able to get back in the long run. So, if Sony was my company to play with, I would push everbody and his dog to get me a demo of Killzone2 or something similar (looking like the E3-05 stuff - assuming this is possible on the PS3, of course, as Sony claims) to keep the flag up for the masses. I underline "demo" and not trailers or images, or CGI stuff. Sony need to give to the Playstation fidels something that tickle their pride.
In the end, MS was quite right when they said "come november, PS3 might have Blu-Ray, but we have GofW" .
Anybody here can tell you that Killzone 2 will not look like the E3 05 trailer, because it is impossible, regardless of what Sony claims. You dont have to do more than just look at the amount of AA and AF to tell that thing will never run in realtime. They can come pretty close, but alot of the stuff there, just like the motorstorm trailer is impossible for even last generation PS3 games.
I agree that they need to show of some power, they need something that looks better than GoW. Thats easier said then done however...
Another problem with Killzone2 is that it needs to look so close to the E3 05 trailer, that casuals cannot see the difference. If it doesnt, people are going to be mad...
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Well, as the wise man said - everything is impossible until it's not.
One can only speculate on how games of 2010-12 on the PS3 will look like (or on the 360 for that matter, if it's still around and not completely obliterated by Xbox720). If Sony would have shown at E3-1999 some trailers made of gamplay footage from God of War or COD3 or Black or SotC, I guess everybody seeing the 2000 launch games would have said the same - that this is not achievable on the PS2.
But, again, Sony needs - desperately I would say - to show the power they claim the PS3 has, to turn the negative tide that seems to surround them in the media. And yes, that Killzone2 demo better look like the E3-05 trailer, othewise its even worse.
Casuals are perhaps those who were least exposed to the Killzone CG trailer. The hardcore were those predominantly aware of it, so I'm not sure why they'd care what casuals think about it. And they themselves should for the most part have been latterly aware of its CG status and checked their expectations accordingly, anyway. I think the majority of those who would complain will be those who were eager to complain in the first place for the sake of it. Think about it - who should be mad? In that case the only ones who legitimately should be 'mad' would be those who genuinely expected the game to look like that and were unaware that it was actually CG. I think you'll find such people few and far between, at least in these parts.
People, of course, should and could be mad about the representation of games generally using CG, but that's a complaint that's already been vented ad nauseum and w.r.t. Killzone specifically.
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If you replace "journalists" with "forum-goers", we'd have a situation where you were talking about petty 'fan people' who are just looking for an opportunity to bitch
I mean there's a school of thought and a point of debate out there about the usage of CG in the representation of non-final games which is perfectly legitimate. But with the unveiling of Killzone, it is really either only going to remain a poster child for all that's wrong with that, or will remove itself from the debate by resembling the quality of the trailer. In other words, I don't see things getting much worse for it in the context of that debate since most have already pitched their tents negatively with regard to that, so to speak. Things will either stay the same, or the real deal will pleasantly surprise (afterall, that would be the surprise here, not that the game won't look like CG!).
Anyway, this is really an aside to the topic..
Casuals don't even know what E3 is. Nevermind the Killzone trailer or Motorstorm trailer. They will be comparing PS3 games to X360 games.
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Same here. As much as I'd like to get the PS3 ASAP, I'd rather play Dragon Quest VIII, Forbidden Siren 3, Rule of Rose, Okami, FFXII and God of War 2 before the PS3 is released in EU. After it arrives there's a high possibility those games will just end up collecting dust. That was exactly what happened to FFIX when the PS2 was released.
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What exactly happened to FF9?
The idea is that those games can be played on PS3 too. It's not like those games are deleted from people's minds as soon as PS3 is released. If you want to play the game, you buy it. Just because there are "new games on the new console" coming out - which by the way won't be as good as Okami or GOW2 or all the others for a looong time - it doesn't mean that these "old games" end up collecting dust. Heck, they're not even "old games". They're new games, just running on old hardware - or on new hardware with emulation.
Personally, GOW2 is a game which i will HAVE to buy, and just because PS3 is coming out, i won't just overlook it, that's a silly notion.
It will look dated, but then again, PS2 games have looked dated for years already. Ps3 won't change much.
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