Predict: The Next Generation Console Tech

[(((interference)))]

You quote Iherre as though the statement offers anything at all of substance

Actually, it does give us some indication of the gap in relative performance, if you want to claim it doesn't, the onus is on you to show why.

lherre specifically said that it would be more like Dreamcast vs Xbox rather than Gamecube vs Xbox as some other people were suggesting to him (and that was a while ago too)..

 

[bkilian]

Okay, can you give us a hint. Are most people going to be disappointed or happy about the final kit TF answer? You know what everyone wants and doesn't want.

This should allow you to answer without breaking NDA.

Let's put it this way: Don't expect a graphical powerhouse in a console. They have a lot of regulations coming into effect about power usage that they're going to have to conform to, as a set top box, which a PC does not have to worry about.

 

[LXFBN]

Let's put it this way: Don't expect a graphical powerhouse in a console. They have a lot of regulations coming into effect about power usage that they're going to have to conform to, as a set top box, which a PC does not have to worry about.

Would you consider a 7850 a graphical powerhouse?

 

[(((interference)))]

Not sure what all the concern about TF's is for. Do you honestly think MS, for example, would release a console that can't make use of all the nice new features in UE4 and CryEngine 3.0? They're not going to release a console that struggles to run these. In fact I'm sure the likes of Epic have had input into the Durango specs much like they did with the 360 to get it running UE3 nicely.

Exactly, people are losing sight of the fact that UE4 has to run at a spec somewhat comparable to the tech demo. 2 or 3x the power of the Wii U's GPU is not going to cut it.

Probably from BG. Also, Iherre mentioned the other day about notion of consoles hitting 2.5TF easily with resounding "no" and continuing that FLOPS dont tell the whole story. I think now that bkilian said GPU in dev kit wasn't what we thought it was, its pretty clear that Durango GPU is not going to turn heads.

I have an idea, maybe as everyone is saying it's not just about the claimed FLOPS after all.

What did we make of this AMD presentation:
http://www.gamechup.com/xbox-720-in...ipped-amd-hd8000m-to-power-next-gen-consoles/

Full presentation here:
http://www.techpowerup.com/177432/AMD-Radeon-HD-8000M-Series-Detailed-Performance-Figures-Released.html

Maybe they're going with a 8800M variant, less than 1 TF on paper but actual performance will be much better (than say 2x the rumoured 500 GFLOP RV730 Wii U GPU)

Of course it doesn't actually confirm the mobile chips are featuring in the new consoles, just that AMD GPUs are.

 

[Inuhanyou]

I guess it all depends on what one thinks is a "graphical powerhouse". Is that why Cliffy all the named guys quit Epic? Because they wanted bleeding edge tech and Microsoft weren't willing to give it? I can remember Sweeny and all of them going on about how they wanted 2.5TF in the console space.

Again, i dunno if that kind of floating point operational performance what constitutes as a graphical powerhouse though.

 

[bitsandbytes]

Would you consider a 7850 a graphical powerhouse?

That is the raw power I expect and would be happy with in closed box. Especially when Microsoft will be concentrating a lot more on the non-gaming aspects.

 

[Docwiz]

Let's put it this way: Don't expect a graphical powerhouse in a console. They have a lot of regulations coming into effect about power usage that they're going to have to conform to, as a set top box, which a PC does not have to worry about.

So, they are using mobile chips? Like for example AMD 8000M? That would give at most 1 TF of power.
Am I getting warmer in saying mobile chips at least?

 

[(((interference)))]

Why exactly did SKYSONY redact his post? It's not like he's under NDA
Did it contain any more info than what we already know from the other leaks?
What was he claiming the TF number was?

 

[LXFBN]

Durango:

8 CU GCN2 GPU @ 800 MHz

8 weak jaguar cores @ 1.6 GHz

8 GB of slow DDR memory

It really is X8OX 8.

 

[Albofighter]

The higher end mobile chips can do 3 TF but I'm not sure how much higher the power usage is which might be a problem. Wouldn't it be better to wait on Volcanic Islands? They should be more efficient while giving good performance. Maybe if Sony gets delayed a bit they might consider it in order to compete with Microsoft's heavy customization.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

Bkilian's posts really put me off from buying the next box to the point that I really hope he is full of it....really hope that the two device approach rumored a few times is true and bkilian has just been messing with everybody by talking about the low end device...

 

[(((interference)))]

Durango:

<1TF GPU

8 weak jaguar cores @ 1.6 GHz

8 GB of slow DDR memory

Thanks, well the rest matches what we already know and the <1TF GPU fits with the 8800M at 992GFLOPS.

So maybe it is a customised mobile card after all.

Anyone know how an 8800M would compare performance wise with a HD6870?

 

[upnorthsox]

Why exactly did SKYSONY redact his post? It's not like he's under NDA
Did it contain any more info than what we already know from the other leaks?
What was he claiming the TF number was?

No idea, however it quoted in post #17226. Not much there really.

 

[Squilliam]

Let's put it this way: Don't expect a graphical powerhouse in a console. They have a lot of regulations coming into effect about power usage that they're going to have to conform to, as a set top box, which a PC does not have to worry about.

Is it those darn Europeans again? I remember what lead free solder did to the first generation consoles from Microsoft and Sony... Anyway what are the regulations power limits exactly?

 

[Helmore]

Is it those darn Europeans again? I remember what lead free solder did to the first generation consoles from Microsoft and Sony... Anyway what are the regulations power limits exactly?

There are no regulations on power limits AFAIK. If there are, then they are imposed by Microsoft itself and they probably did so to make it easier to use it as more than a gaming console but a full fledged entertainment system. A system that you would like to be quiet at all times and maybe an easier form factor as well.

 

[(((interference)))]

If there are, then they are imposed by Microsoft itself and they probably did so to make it easier to use it as more than a gaming console but a full fledged entertainment system. A system that you would like to be quiet at all times and maybe an easier form factor as well.

Well, we definitely know that's the direction they're heading in for the 720.

 

[Bagel seed]

Can't they just classify them as PCs? Like Sony's done before. And/or sell the cable set-top features as a separate add on box or different model.

 

[ImaginaryInsider]

For what it's worth, Aegies did mention, based on what he's heard over the last year, "Durango is using a heavily engineered part from AMD that is not easily comparable to any current GPU out there right now."

 

[Bagel seed]

For what it's worth, Aegies did mention, based on what he's heard over the last year, "Durango is using a heavily engineered part from AMD that is not easily comparable to any current GPU out there right now."

Doesn't really say much in itself in the current state of graphics tech. If it's anything that enhances efficiency over current gpu's we'd have probably have seen it implemented or in a roadmap by Nvidia or AMD already.

 

[Inuhanyou]

He also said that "whatever compromises or customizations Durango uses in comparison to a standard PC off the shelf part will be to the benefit of gaming"