Predict: The Next Generation Console Tech

[tunafish]

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Wow, I totally missed the release of that one. Wouldn't have predicted that.

It does make the integration of many ARM cores possible, if not likely.

 

[cal_guy]

I think this is stretching it pretty far. "Cores" are pretty unambiguous when talking about Jaguars. I think it is much more likely that either the source is good and it's an IBM CPU, or that the source is bad and it has no value.

Not necessarily as AMD does call a group of Jaguar cores sharing a L2 cache a compute unit. Plus Xbox World isn't exactly a technical magazine.

 

[LXFBN]

IMO

Xbox RT = Phones, Tablets, Setup-Box

Durango = Xbox RT chip, same OS, Apps and casual games as Xbox RT
AND Xbox x64 games

Xbox RT innards:
ARM SOC with 2GB of LDDR3

Durango innards:
ARM SOC with 2GB of LDDR3
AMD SOC with 4GB+ of DDR4
maybe a discrete GPU with faster RAM.

PC = Xbox x64 ports.

I could actually see this happening.

 

[XpiderMX]

IMO

Xbox RT = Phones, Tablets, Setup-Box

Durango = Xbox RT chip, same OS, Apps and casual games as Xbox RT
AND Xbox x64 games

Xbox RT innards:
ARM SOC with 2GB of LDDR3

Durango innards:
ARM SOC with 2GB of LDDR3
AMD SOC with 4GB+ of DDR4
maybe a discrete GPU with faster RAM.

PC = Xbox x64 ports.

Add one more to your equation...

Microsoft is building an Xbox set-top box. Multiple sources familiar with Redmond's plans have confirmed to The Verge that the company plans to introduce a low-cost alternative to its Xbox console, designed to provide access to core entertainment services.

The device will run on the core components of Windows 8 and support casual gaming titles rather than full Xbox games typically found on a dedicated console. Although hardware specifications aren't fully locked down, we understand Microsoft will use a chipset to enable an "always on" device that boots quickly and resumes to provide near-instant access to TV and entertainment services.

But it is not what we know as "Durango":

The move will allow Microsoft to further increase its presence in the living room, providing consumers with a choice between a set-top box or a full next-generation Xbox console. We're told that the set-top box is part of a two-SKU strategy for Microsoft's next-generation of Xbox hardware that will be unveiled in 2013

From the verge: http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/21/3674802/xbox-tv-set-top-box-casual-gaming-streaming-2013

 

[Rangers]

A lot of the set top box functions, such as "always on" seem to mimic the leaked doc.

Perhaps MS spun the "leaked doc" concepts into two separate boxes, a beefy core focused Durango, and a Xbox lite.

 

[Brad Grenz]

A lot of the set top box functions, such as "always on" seem to mimic the leaked doc.

Perhaps MS spun the "leaked doc" concepts into two separate boxes, a beefy core focused Durango, and a Xbox lite.

The leak actually described both devices, only one was still supposed to be a low power version of the 360 with no optical drive and no hdd.

 

[arijoytunir]

i was going through the leaked xbox 720 document - i found an interesting info - it said that the yukon architecture will be scalable and will be available for lincensing to other OEMs. The scalable patent also helps the xbox tv and xbox surface rumours!

 

[N2O]

^We don't really need to care this page of the document

 

[babybumb]

What is the highest BW you can hope if Sony and MS go 256bit DDR3? Would two buses or EDRAM be absolute necessary?

 

[arijoytunir]

What is the highest BW you can hope if Sony and MS go 256bit DDR3? Would two buses or EDRAM be absolute necessary?

Sony might go with 512bit or higher but microsoft will stay with edram!

 

[Kaotik]

Sony might go with 512bit or higher but microsoft will stay with edram!

lol, I'm honestly shocked if anyone will use even 256bit membus, 128bit 99% surely since 256bit not only brings the costs up a LOT, but also means the chip must be so much bigger even when you shrink it

 

[XpiderMX]

lol, I'm honestly shocked if anyone will use even 256bit membus, 128bit 99% surely since 256bit not only brings the costs up a LOT, but also means the chip must be so much bigger even when you shrink it

128bits, and the speed?

 

[function]

From what I read in (I think in this) thread, a 128-bit GDDR5 bus would be as big (die IO and traces) as roughly a 192-bit DDR4 bus.

So I guess we'll see 128-bit if it's GDDR5, or 192-bit or 256-bit if it's DDR4. It'd be unfortunate if Sony missed out on DDR4 because it wasn't ready yet, and had to go with DDR3 or GDDR5 as a less cost efficient alternative.

 

[arijoytunir]

lol, I'm honestly shocked if anyone will use even 256bit membus, 128bit 99% surely since 256bit not only brings the costs up a LOT, but also means the chip must be so much bigger even when you shrink it

sony has always chosen larger bandwidth over amount of ram . So , its logical that sony will again choose large bandwidth !

 

[Kaotik]

sony has always chosen larger bandwidth over amount of ram . So , its logical that sony will again choose large bandwidth !

larger, why not, 512bit? not a chance. 256bit maybe, 192bit possibly.

 

[jonabbey]

larger, why not, 512bit? not a chance. 256bit maybe, 192bit possibly.

512bit would fit with the rumors of chip stacking that we've been hearing for Orbis.

 

[Silenti]

Whatever happened to that 70mb+ EDRAM rumor? Turn out to be bunk or is that size or greater still in the cards?

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Whatever happened to that 70mb+ EDRAM rumor? Turn out to be bunk or is that size or greater still in the cards?

Bunk at this point. All the 'big' rumours were bunk. Wii U has no significant strengths. Other than size and power draw.

 

[Silenti]

Bunk at this point. All the 'big' rumours were bunk. Wii U has no significant strengths. Other than size and power draw.

Apologies. I should have been more specific, I thought the 70+ was for the next Xbox.

 

[MrFox]

If they put memory on an interposer, it's hard to believe they'd go with only 512 bit, that's a single chip.
The basis of that rumor (the questionable picture from Yole Development) shows 2 chips, so it would be 1024 bit.
I'm curious about how many chips per stack would be needed for 8GB, is it even possible?