Remote play over the internet @ someone else's house sure wasn't expected. Full BC with all old playstation games (all the way up to PS3) with the use of Gaikai also isn't.
Official February 20, 2013 Playstation event
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Remote play over the internet @ someone else's house sure wasn't expected. Full BC with all old playstation games (all the way up to PS3) with the use of Gaikai also isn't.
Love_In_Rio
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it was me or watchdogs seemed severely downgraded from the E3?.And screen tearing...They said it was running on a PC?...
Really? I'm not so sure this is such a dire situation.
arijoytunir
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Sony press release confirms eight core x86 CPU and GPU with 18 compute units, plus - the surprise of the evening - 8GB of GDDR5
https://twitter.com/digitalfoundry/status/304404162010046465
https://twitter.com/digitalfoundry/status/304404162010046465
The whole sharing while playing is pretty new to me, and the demos from the cloud is a good idea to save time and bandwidth with and it's a clever use for Gaikai. I expect all the other Gaikai stuff to come slowly.
If they were going to stream PS3 games, it's not hard to do the rest and is expected.
Remote play is innovative that is true I forgot about that one. However, it probably won't be used much just like the PSP/PS3 play back in the day.
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So you mean people will pay $400 for a system with visuals comparable to 8 year old consoles, rather than paying $500 for a proper next gen console?
Averagejoe
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I don't think the PS4 will be 500 dollars,part of using an APU is saving cost.
Remember this was more to hype the social networking and other aspect of the PS4,it took 2 hours,imaging them having more games and leaving this for E3 it would have take them 4 hours or more,so they bring this out,and on E3 they focus on games and other points,considering it will release this holiday it is a sure bet that on E3 they will reveal allot of stuff.
Can you elaborate a bit? Because do you know any PC video card with 8GB of GDDR5 and do you know why that is?
That is fine if they want to do that, but they are going to price themselves out of the market again just like they did with the PS3, they can't sell it for $350 or even $400 at max this Christmas without losing tons of money so.....
There isn't a lot of options here.
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They're not going to price themselves out of the market since the silicon budget is far more conservative this time around, plus blu ray drives aren't expensive anymore.
Because this isn't going to inflate the unit cost by hundreds. They could probably sell this at like $400 for a reasonable loss here.. I mean the GPU and CPU are good, but they're not some crazy home brewed creation that them millions- like Cell. They're fairly standard parts courtesy of their relationship with AMD. The thing is an APU.. An AMD APU.
So, to me, the most expensive aspect will be the memory yes. But it won't drive it up to PS3 cost levels.
For that matter, GDDR5 while expensive is still not as exotic as the XDR they shipped with PS3 attached to Cell.
PS3's "high cost" components:
XDR
Cell
Blu-Ray drive
PS4's "high cost" components:
8GB of GDDR5
Because:
Blu-Ray drives are far, far cheaper.
They're not using a complex custom CPU or GPU.
They're not using highly complex and niche memory, like Rambus XDR.
Sony can probably make a Blu-ray drive for $3 these days so that's definitely not a factor.
Still mind-boggled by 8GB GDDR5 - the best reason I can think of is that they want to appear to be on par with PC's on numbers alone, and 4GB would look 2nd rate especially in a couple of years. That said, GDDR5 still isn't cheap I'm sure.
Still mind-boggled by 8GB GDDR5 - the best reason I can think of is that they want to appear to be on par with PC's on numbers alone, and 4GB would look 2nd rate especially in a couple of years. That said, GDDR5 still isn't cheap I'm sure.
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Does this help with working out GDDR5 costs?
BW is 176GB/s so that will help us work out frequencies, assuming they're going with 25 bit bus.
Could they be using stacking?
I guess my only question is, how feasible will it really be for developers to really use all that memory? I mean.. That's a ton of RAM.
Will the CPU and GPU even be capable of using that much effectively? Novice question I'm sure, but it just seems like developers have so much room to spread their legs out..
According to that chart, 8GB of GDDR5 would cost them like $70.
4.35 (512MB) x 16 (8GB) = $69.60
Will the CPU and GPU even be capable of using that much effectively? Novice question I'm sure, but it just seems like developers have so much room to spread their legs out..
According to that chart, 8GB of GDDR5 would cost them like $70.
4.35 (512MB) x 16 (8GB) = $69.60
They wouldn't just imply if they had that deal. Sony would have been screaming it. Perhaps timed exclusive content. Who knows.
Didn't they rate one of the current-gen consoles as 1TF, maybe the PS3? Or was that one already rated as 2TF?
