Nice GOW/MGS4 Compare

[reptile]

Nevertheless, the console forums are going down very quickly. With such attitudes as the ones we can see here, I wouldn't be surprised if no actual developer would dare to post here at all. Maybe they'd be called liars too...

Yeah, sad. What i dont understand is, that i thought, beyond3d was a technical site, so we can be objective at least on a technical level.

Anyway, back to the comparison: while i prefer the MGS lighting (i thought saturated red-blue was out of fashion since.. well, Forsaken), it's pretty clear that detail-wise they're very close. I just cant understand using the argument "which one created bigger hype" - if we follow this logic, Halo2 would be the best looking game on earth )) (hint: i think it is not)

Could we please drop the ******ism, and discuss objectively?

Sincerely,
someone, who bought a pstwo just for mgs3 (and eyetoy )

 

[Qroach]

Yeah, sad. What i dont understand is, that i thought, beyond3d was a technical site, so we can be objective at least on a technical level.

It is a technical place. However it's the fan-ish posts that aren't logical or even sensible that bring it down 100 notches. Some people can't see to sperate their technical informaiton from the fanatical opinion.

 

[Gholbine]

Neither of you have provided an argument that disproves any of the points I just made about the impact of the MGS4 media.

I'm done with this thread, you guys can sit here and argue about it while I sit back with the other 99% of the Internet and marvel at clearly the most impressive graphical display yet seen in videogames.

Good luck to both of you.

Edit: I'd also like to apologize for participating in a childish flamewar, which I know is not generally accepted on these boards. Please... let's not turn this place into IGN.

 

[Thegameman]

That MGS4 shot wasn't from a alpha kit for PS3. The GOW shot (a very old shot) was taken on a xbox 360 alpha kit. What kit it was taken on doesn't matter, as that's just a fan-ish way of saying one piece of hardware is more powerful than tht other. Which isn't really the case when comparing these games...

I'm so sick of hearing, i don't see anything on xbox 360 that looks next gen, or PS3 is so much more powerful that it's a night and day difference, blah blah blah... That's a bunch of nonsense. GOW doesn't look next gen to people and MGS4 does? If your answer to that is "yes" then I dont' think you are really looking at this clearly.

Escuse me but GOW has never run on Alpha kits,it was confirmed that Alpha kits could not handle GOW,on E3 GOW was runing on 2 6800 Ultra in SLI.also the kit use on that MGS4 shots is the 2.4 Cell one with the 7800 GTX via PCIE.


Also GOW has been build until recently on Nvidia hardware hance the graphics diference with other Xbox 360 games.

 

[wrongdoer]

I expect Halo3 to look right about this level or more. Any less and even the most diehard xbox ******s will admit Xenos missed the mark.

 

[Qroach]

Escuse me but GOW has never run on Alpha kits,it was confirmed that Alpha kits could not handle GOW,on E3 GOW was runing on 2 6800 Ultra in SLI.also the kit use on that MGS4 shots is the 2.4 Cell one with the 7800 GTX via PCIE.

That's not true. When epic first showed the PLAYABLE GOW the used PC hardware, but it was running on the alpha kits.

Also GOW has been build until recently on Nvidia hardware hance the graphics diference with other Xbox 360 games.

That's total nonsense. The fact that anyone used ATI or nvidia hardware to develop on when creating art assets on a PC, doesn't have ANY impact on what the final graphics looks like. it's statements like that that are totally out of this world.

 

[Qroach]

Neither of you have provided an argument that disproves any of the points I just made about the impact of the MGS4 media.

you didn't make any reasonable points.

 

[Josh378]

MAN SCREW THIS ****** STUFF...Both games are a technical achievement...can we just leave it at that?

Also, has any high resolution MGS4 video's has been released?

-Josh378

 

[_phil_]

Oh that's right because the MO CAP in MGS4's cutscene is so much better than the MO CAP of the helicopter scene in GoW. What FX did the MGS4 cutscene show that was so mindblowing?

1/ oh ,yes : he jumps ,then the camera moves around hime up chest framing.3 blendshapes and done.no need to mocap that.

2/particle/atmospheric/postprcessing stuf.

btw ,i think nothing is hardware (weakness) related at all. it's all talent.I would also bet Kojima's team engin to be largely superior to middleware UE3.this takes efficiency into account.

 

[Josh378]

High resolution trailer up at official website:

http://www.konami.jp/gs/kojima_pro/japanese/mgs4_04.html

-Josh378

 

[Titanio]

High resolution trailer up at official website:

http://www.konami.jp/gs/kojima_pro/japanese/mgs4_04.html

-Josh378

Is this the same DF posted in the other thread? It's not really high res..direct feed, but not the best. Compression ain't great either, unfortunately

 

[Qroach]

Both games are a technical achievement...can we just leave it at that?

That's exactly the point I made early in this thread. It's just a mtatter of preference for which you like more visually. It's not any sort of technical hardware difference as peopel continuously try to imply. Both consoles are capable of the damn same things graphically.

 

[Josh378]

That's exactly the point I made early in this thread. It's just a mtatter of preference for which you like more visually. It's not any sort of technical hardware difference as peopel continuously try to imply. Both consoles are capable of the damn same things graphically.

I say, Mods just lock this thread...it's already gone down the drain...I don't want this site to be another game gaming-age forum....

-Josh378

 

[SGX-1]

1/ oh ,yes : he jumps ,then the camera moves around hime up chest framing.3 blendshapes and done.no need to mocap that.

2/particle/atmospheric/postprcessing stuf.

btw ,i think nothing is hardware (weakness) related at all. it's all talent.I would also bet Kojima's team engin to be largely superior to middleware UE3.this takes efficiency into account.

The heli scene is about 5 seconds long. You actually expect the MO CAP to include KZ type scripting in those 5 seconds? What you want the marines to do Ninja flips or something?

Also yes like someone has already mentioned UE3 was designed to be a universal game rendering engine so it'll likely be a little less efficient than an engine designed from the ground up for a specific game and console assuming the engine designers are equally as talented.

 

[3roxor]

That's exactly the point I made early in this thread. It's just a mtatter of preference for which you like more visually. It's not any sort of technical hardware difference as peopel continuously try to imply. Both consoles are capable of the damn same things graphically.

No..PS3 will produce better graphics + more lively surroundings. The reason you should buy the Xbox360 is because you like their games more and/or you can't wait for another 6 months. get over it. PS3 will also be more expensive.

 

[_phil_]

The heli scene is about 5 seconds long. You actually expect the MO CAP to include KZ type scripting in those 5 seconds? What you want the marines to do Ninja flips or something?

5 sec is a lot but i don't think there is mocap in there.i would be overkill $$

 

[Nemo80]

No..PS3 will produce better graphics + more lively surroundings. The reason you should buy the Xbox360 is because you like their games more and/or you can't wait for another 6 months. get over it.

Yes that'S what's to be expected because everything speaks for a technical superior PS3, but it seems some Xbox ******s here don't even trust their eyes anymore by comparing these types of games with eachother and holding GoW up as the better one when it obviously isn't.

 

[Qroach]

No..PS3 will produce better graphics + more lively surroundings. The reason you should buy the Xbox360 is because you like their games more and/or you can't wait for another 6 months. get over it.

Yes that'S what's to be expected because everything speaks for a technical superior PS3, but it seems some Xbox ******s here don't even trust their eyes anymore by comparing these types of games with eachother and holding GoW up as the better one when it obviously isn't.

it's just like I said.

"it's the fan-ish posts that aren't logical or even sensible that bring it down 100 notches. Some people can't see to sperate their technical informaiton from the fanatical opinion."

PS3 does not automatically produce better graphics or more lively surroundings.

 

[SGX-1]

No..PS3 will produce better graphics + more lively surroundings. The reason you should buy the Xbox360 is because you like their games more and/or you can't wait for another 6 months. get over it. PS3 will also be more expensive.

And you know this for a fact?

 

[Nemo80]

And you know this for a fact?

It's just logical...