Nice GOW/MGS4 Compare

The video one posted earlier is well worth a download, even if it's only a small sample. Some shots (the video itself is much higher resolution still!):

 

pot to kettle: you're black!!!!

 

can someone hack into that site and get the whold HD trailers, the sample is mighty impressive.

 

Don't worry about some of his comments. I had to deal with him and his xbox possie when I was on the IGN board...glad I left that website....

RSW...I thought you were beyond this....leave it be...your just promoting ****** wars...this website doesn't need this right now...thats the reason who I left IGN...so I don' have to hear "teh biased" side of things from both sides of the camp.....

-Josh378

 

Yes it's absurd, but some people are blind to this for whatever motive...

 

Yes, but Snake's approach to combat is very different, Snake's suit allows him to sneak around and move with subtlety which is the basis of his character, while the characters in GoW are very much frontline fighters. Try swapping the armours over but keep the characters concepts the same and it would look stupid, Snake's suit is not going to soak the damage the characters in GoW require it to and Snake is hardly going to sneak up on anyone in GoW armour.
Concept more than necessity is the basis of the costume designs in my opinion.

It also has marked consequences for the feel of the game as a whole, while it might be nice to see more of the characters physical movement without being hidden by armour, the general feel of the game would not be right if you had a futuristic front lines soldier incorrectly attired.
No, the Gears of War model doens't necessarily look the best it could, but then no games character ever will or no games would ever be released as there is always a little more you can do here and there.
Do you think the Snake model looks the best it could do? It certainly looks nice, but I don't think it looks the best it could. In a couple of the images mckmass posted the suit looks distinctly less impressive than in other images.

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Anyway, as I said, I think people are picking at necessities of concept and using them to argue invalid points, there are nice bits to both images, there are failings in both, but to argue that the suit design in GoW is purely to hide the rest of the character model is to be blind to the needs of character concept in games.

 

Just the fact that we are comparing a sneak around stealth Splinter Cell type game to an action oriented run and gun type game is just playing dumb. Thats like me saying well Splinter Cell has better graphics than Halo 2, well for christs sake of course it does idiots.

 

True, but looking at the "frontline" fighters in MGS4, they're less bulked and padded out than in GoW..but yes, that is a different style.

No I don't. I'm one of those guys who thinks we'll probably never get good enough. Or certainly not this gen. But it is a more complex model than the GoW one. And that comparison is, again, this thread's basis. I've made suggestions about it, but the motivation behind the design, be it technical necessity, purely art direction, or a mix of both, is irrelevant to this comparison if that's what we're drilling it down to (and that's what the OP wanted to bring. And we have.).

 

They are different games. MGS, japan games in general, like to show more cinematic closeups. MGS4 is still the best next gen demo. That is not to say it will not be match in years before its release. Team Kojima is good, Konami is japan 1st or 2nd largest third party, with Sony VIP treatment, their next gen assets is ahead of the rest atm.

On Snake hair, imo, is one of those this gen carried forward. You get the top strains flowing, yet the bulk of the crop is static as present.

 

Nice, isn't it? I think you should quit your job tomorrow...
Nevertheless, the console forums are going down very quickly. With such attitudes as the ones we can see here, I wouldn't be surprised if no actual developer would dare to post here at all. Maybe they'd be called liars too...

 

Vince,

i really don't know why you're still allowed to post at this website. Seriously you haven't changed since the last babing.

Inferior hardware? You're personal opinion is backed up with nothing physical. I'[m nto goign to respond to the rest of your bullshit post as it's just that, bullshit. Ifully realize there's isme people sitting on the fence with thier opinion and there's people like vince that simple don't know what they speak of. You clearly see what you want to see. At least there's some peopel like Acert, Jon Bittan, and Laa-yosh, and a few others that can clearly rationalize what has been seen so far.

 

To the people who think GoW stands up to MGS4: I'll ask you one question.

Has any piece of Gears of War media, moving or still, new or old, alpha kit or beta kit, gameplay or cutscene, ever generated anywhere near the amount of excitement, scrutiny or demand as the MGS4 media recently released? And it's not just the MGS fans... it's the Xbox 360 fans, it's the media, it's even the MGS haters... it's everybody. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember any such excitement for any Gears of War media, including the oh-so-spectacular 'helicopter scene'.

There's your comparison, in a nutshell, right there.

You know what this is all about? Xbox 360 vs. PS3. Gears of War is the Xbox fan's best option to position against MGS4, and thus it's used. It's got nothing to do with the graphics of either game, it's just each side using their most powerful weapon. SGX-1 is absolute case-in-point. Go over his post history and see if he's ever argued against anything remotely connected to the Xbox, or vise versa for the Playstation.

 

hahah yes i correct you after E3 was a lot articles about GoW and all of them showed a lot of excitements

 

Your argument is NOT logical. There was a lot of excitement after E3 and this game first being showed. anyway what does any of this have to do with anything? I could come out and say the Halo2 trailer generated more excitement than MGS4, but that doesn't mean anything. How the hell could you compare the hype one generates over the next when clearly one is a new franchise and the next dates as far back as the 80's?

 

So now that you conceed GoW is on the same graphical level as MGS4, you shift to who is better at generating hype? If Epic wanted to generate massive hype, all they would need to do is hire a cinematographer to script a cutscene using storyboards from the GoW game in the style of MGS4 or KZ.

Exactly! How about a Halo3 cutscene. Can you imagine the buzz that game would get?

 

So you think that all this hype is based purely on the franchise's history? Give me a break. Just look at Killzone, the sequel to an arguably forgettable FPS from late 2004. Not a lot of history there, very similar response.

And besides, where does MGS get its popularity from? It's sure not the sales... MGS3 only sold ~3 million copies. You know what it is? That's right... the revolutionary graphics that Kojima seems to produce before every other developer out there, and most would say MGS4 is no exception.

Conceed that GoW is in the same graphical level? Jesus man. I'm not even going to bother with you anymore. You're so fixated in your stubborn (and no doubt biased) opinion that Gears of War looks anywhere near MGS4 in terms of graphical detail. They're on entirely different planes of quality, seriously.

 

And hire special FX coders and some serious animators...

 

Yeah and it was CG and blows away anything realtime on nextgen consoles as it should.

MGS4 looks very nice but it's not the end all be all. Both GoW and RE5 are on the same graphical level.

Oh that's right because the MO CAP in MGS4's cutscene is so much better than the MO CAP of the helicopter scene in GoW. What FX did the MGS4 cutscene show that was so mindblowing?

 

The hype is it being based on a KNOWN & ESTABLISHED franchise. people don't really know much about GOW since it's a brand new franchise. That's not difficult ot understand if you want to.

yep you and vince will get along fine is you keep saying things like " revolutionary graphics" and ps3 in the same sentance. Again, this argument you've swithed to serves NO purpose in this thread.

 

You know, everything will be clear when Halo 3 emerges with enough hype (in realtime)! A Bungie employee described the MGS4 trailer is "super nice", so Halo 3 must be "super cool". Will they show it at X05? As Gates said they are ready to release it at the launch of PS3, I think we can expect its exposure soon. I'm looking forward to it. It will crush Killzone E3