Nice GOW/MGS4 Compare
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From what i can see from the two compared pic...
GoW has a lot more geomtry on the face than The one for MG4
specially when comparing the ears of the models.
MGS4 has hair and a bandana...
the one for GoW has a "do-rag" looking bandana...
It also looks like MGS4 has a lot more geometry on the body than the one on the GoW...
and on the weapon on MGS4 looks more detailed than the one in GoW
so all in all...
lighting scheme aside...
It looks like GoW has more detail on the face than MGS4...
MGS4 looks more detailed on the other areas all together...
on this particular picture comparison...
GoW has a lot more geomtry on the face than The one for MG4
specially when comparing the ears of the models.
MGS4 has hair and a bandana...
the one for GoW has a "do-rag" looking bandana...
It also looks like MGS4 has a lot more geometry on the body than the one on the GoW...
and on the weapon on MGS4 looks more detailed than the one in GoW
so all in all...
lighting scheme aside...
It looks like GoW has more detail on the face than MGS4...
MGS4 looks more detailed on the other areas all together...
on this particular picture comparison...
onetimeposter said:
There was no "gameplay" with GoW at the E3 at all. Btw. is it only me or is this GoW Pic there looking far better than the actual crappy ingame footage shown at the TGS? Wouldnt surprise me after all (also i didn't know the 360 can do supersampling
)And please stop comparing what you cannot compare. MGS is several levels above what has been seen on any system so far, and it's just the beginning of whats to come.
Nemo80 said:
Riiiight...
Phil said:I love it how desperate some are getting here by finger pointing at statistic screenshots and ignoring the videos of both to get a point across.
But hey, if it makes you feel better about GOW, I guess cary on...
I love it how desparate some are getting here by finger pointing at cutscenes from one trailer while ingoring the cutscene from another.
But hey, if it makes you feel better about MGS4, I guess cary (sic) on...
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Laa-Yosh said:
nope.no unified lighting in UE3.You have to write multiple instance of you shaders depending on lighting conditions.
Facial anim : didn't see it ,the guy has the same experssion all over in every media i saw.
the most impressive technical part in MGS4 : HDR lighting (autoexposure) +animation + camera +sheer quantity off details.Not specially the self shadowig (depth ma resolution can be view dependant ,as sampled in recent nvidia technical papers).
All that together is its strengh. the whole is better than the sum of the parts.
yes ,tone map and HDR ARE dependant.I was talking about quality.The light is endly alive.
Btw ,people should drop the helicopter scene argument ,because it's has so low resolution texture on it ,that the texture detail point in favor of GOW would fall flat.
Still, all comparaison between the 2 games stops when things start to move.
Uh..that scene looks fantastic actually. I didn't see any low resolution textures at all. Regardless why would a GoW cutscene have low resolution textures when Xbox 360 has 512MB of RAM + texture compression? Is it made up so that the low res textures in the MGS4 cutscene can be written off in this comparison to make it equal?
It would help you'd stop comparing them too, besides this is a comparison thread.
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Yeah, this 130MB trailer linked there is best! (though I shout to the guy in front of camera to leaveStillmatic said:
)http://ruliwebfile.dreamwiz.com/mpeg3/tgs2005/ruliweb_mgs4.wmv
I can see Snake lick his lip (5:38). It's superb.
LunchBox said:
I wouldn't completely disagree with this. Asides from what's been said elsewhere, I would have thought this was a more obvious and immediate point of contrast. Even if you want to compare stills, the complexity of the Snake model vs that of GoW are on totally different levels. GoW's character design is such that it hides complexity, in the traditional mould of character design. We don't want to model hair, so lets make him bald (and don't even consider convincing facial hair). We don't want to model the human form, the muscle (let alone animate it!) so let's clothe him in bulky armour that hides. If you take away the face, the model does not look clearly and unambiguously human - they look almost robotic outside of the faces, and that's clear in the (many) characters that are hiding faces with helmets. Kojima obviously is not concerned with technical (and other) expense with the Snake model, and that much is indeed evident in just stills alone. In fact he's being gratuitous, and almost taunting with that model, putting Snake in a skin-tight suit that hides little of the human complexity underneath.
But if you want to really compare, then yes, you have to move into motion, and the gap only widens significantly. If you wanted to just focus again on character models, the complexity of animating the Snake model is far greater than that required for the GoW model, but despite that it is just that much better and more realistic. And the detail is completely different..just watch closely. Just some illustrative examples, of many, but you can see his Adam Apple move when he swallows, you can see him flick his tongue as he toys with the cigarette, you can see his sweat, you can see the muscle movement. It's a completely different level of detail.
Moving beyond the comparison presented in this thread, characters, and to environment, and it changes again completely, but that's well trodden territory at this stage. In short though, MGS4 is exhibiting a level of incidental detail and "grit" and physical realism and presence that makes GoW's environments look sanitised and fake by comparison (and this isn't saying GoW looks crap - most CG, or most VG CG at least, is like this).
For those trying to push GoW up to a comparison with this level - first, it's only an indication of the relative quality of MGS4 that you feel the need to so insistently try and convince yourself and others of this. Second, be aware that if and when games arrive on X360 that do actually look this good, you're going to have difficulty credibly arguing that they look better than GoW given your position here. But something tells me you'll be all too happy to see the differences then.
All IMO, of course.
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Nemo80 said:
*hint* heli scene *hint*
Anyone who thinks the rendering quality in heli scene is not comparable MGS4's cutscene rendering quality is lying to themselves....or blind...or both.
It seems you're saying Epic chose the art direction of GoW because of hardware limitations? Brilliant...
Maybe we should compare King Arthurs armor to MGS4's and claim MGS4 is more detailed....
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I really can't be bothered to read this whole thread, so maybe this has been addressed already.
What really irks me is that those posting the GOW shots always claim it's from gameplay, and from actual xbox360 footage.
I have yet to see in the trailers those shots that have been posted.
So that qualifies them as pr prerenders using ingame assets, thus having a higher image quality than what would be ingame.
What really irks me is that those posting the GOW shots always claim it's from gameplay, and from actual xbox360 footage.
I have yet to see in the trailers those shots that have been posted.
So that qualifies them as pr prerenders using ingame assets, thus having a higher image quality than what would be ingame.
SGX-1 said:
Limitations, hardware amongst them, have strongly influenced character design in videogames from day one.
I don't think it's coincidental in the case of GoW, I think there's some pretty judicious use of their "complexity budget" going on, but even if you wish to think it is coincidence, that still does not affect the comparison and the much greater technical complexity evident in Snake's model vs that of GoW's.
And a King Arthur model, btw, could be a heck of a lot more complex that GoW's or Snake's if you had the resources, technical and otherwise, to do it.
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Titanio said:
so you are saying xbox 360 is limited in its graphical qualities compared to PS3?
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