Next generation 30GB game cartridge to only cost $1 in 2006?

Ah, so I guess that has been mentioned multiple times already.

:D

I don't read all or even most of it.
 
DiGuru said:
BR on the other hand, allows you to make the disk from something like a very strong aluminium alloy, thereby making much higer and more stable rotation speeds possible.

In that sense, the HDDVD is already as fast as it will get.
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Err, don't take this the wrong way but why couldn't HD-DVD discs be made of different materials?
 
Ty said:
Err, don't take this the wrong way but why couldn't HD-DVD discs be made of different materials?
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Theoretically, yes. But as the laser passes through the material, it would have to have the exact same optical specs. And that would be pretty hard to do, I think.
 
DiGuru said:
Ty said:
Err, don't take this the wrong way but why couldn't HD-DVD discs be made of different materials?
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Theoretically, yes. But as the laser passes through the material, it would have to have the exact same optical specs. And that would be pretty hard to do, I think.
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But why can BR handle this and HD-DVD can't?
 
Ty said:
But why can BR handle this and HD-DVD can't?
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Because the optical layer(s) are at the outside of the material.

For a CD, the laser passes through the whole disk, for DVD it passes through half of it. And for Blueray, it only passes a very thin layer at the outside.

But then again, they might be able to use a composite (HD)DVD, with the upper half consiting of a stronger material, and the label at the outside. Although thermal stress and such starts to play an important role at that moment, the speed of the rotation might be enough to keep the disc flat.

So I guess it is possible, but a lot harder.
 
The 11% comment was made based on the initial price of production (11% of the price they currently are paying to make a single disc). The 10% number is what they think the discs will end up costing in a year or two (once disc mastering facilities are up and running and have been pumping out discs for a while).

We don't really know how much they cost right now to make, but it's easily possible that both numbers are correct (maybe 11% of current costs ends up being ~10% over dvd costs and they are hitting target sooner than expected? or maybe it still has some way to go). We don't have all the information, either way.
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Good point and that's certainly possible.

Or BR disc made out of paper, which isn't going to shatter.
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Right, instead it will tear or R.I.P. :LOL:


Anyway this whole issue about shattering will happen to both HD DVD and BR. An aluminum substrate isn't gonna do much because the cover layer still has to be polycarbonate which will be the limiting factor. Doesn't matter that your aluminum substrate could handle 10 times the stress if you still have a polycarbonate cover layer that will shatter at 10,000 rpm long before the aluminum. Heck why not use carbon fiber as a substrate? It wouldn't be all that useful if at 1,000,000 rpm the only thing you'll be reading is the carbon fiber which probably won't be reflecting anything. ;) :LOL:
 
If the polycarbonate is bound to the substrate, the substrate takes the strain, surely?

Anyway, BluRay is definitely going to be the format of choice because spies can encode data onto rice paper and if needs be, eat the evidence.
 
Anyway, BluRay is definitely going to be the format of choice because spies can encode data onto rice paper and if needs be, eat the evidence.
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:LOL: Thats the funniest thing I have read all day. HA! eat the evidence, thats classic.
 
Now the question is can Sony find a way to reconstruct an eaten Blu-ray disc? and if so how many chews does it take to make it truly unreadable.

:p :LOL:
 
PC-Engine said:
Shifty Geezer said:
If the polycarbonate is bound to the substrate, the substrate takes the strain, surely?
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Sure if the glue is up to snuff...
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Ah, most glues are much stronger than the material itself. And you would have totally different forces. It would hold without problem, and the thin film or layer would stay intact. As long as you're not going to scratch it at speed, of course. But that would be much more destructive for a fully polycarbonate disk...

And it would be much easier to find a replacement for such a thin film as well.
 
Hey guys got some new news. I know it isn't on topic but I think we left that years ago. :)

TOKYO (AP) -- Japanese consumer electronics maker Sanyo Electric Co. has joined a group of companies led by Sony Corp. to develop recordable high-definition DVD disks, but will also remain allied with a rival group, a report said Tuesday.
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Sanyo's decision to help both the Sony-led group and its competitor adds uncertainty to the race to develop a global standard for next-generation optical disks, which are expected to offer sharper images than current DVDs.

Sony leads a group promoting the Blu-ray Disc format, while Japan's Toshiba Corp. leads a rival group that backs the HD-DVD format.

Sanyo quietly joined the Blu-ray Disc side in April, while retaining its ties to the HD-DVD group, the Kyodo news agency quoted the company's officials as saying Tuesday. It plans to have a DVD player compatible with the HD-DVD format on store shelves later this year.

The news follows Toshiba's announcement last week that it is preparing to mass produce recordable high-definition DVDs with a 15-gigabyte storage capacity. Hitachi Maxell Ltd. and Mitsubishi Kagaku plan to market the new discs next spring, when Toshiba is scheduled to launch the new DVD recorders.

Sanyo plans to make a key part of the machines that reads the discs for both formats -- apparently hedging its bet, as the two groups pour resources into a technology that is expected to revolutionize Hollywood movies and consumer electronics.

A Sanyo spokesman couldn't be reached after the company's headquarters in the western city of Osaka closed for the day. At the Tokyo Stock Exchange, Sanyo shares fell 1 yen to 272 yen ($2.50).

Blu-ray has more capacity, with 50 gigabytes, compared to 30 gigabytes for HD-DVD read-only disks, but proponents of HD-DVD say their format is cheaper to make because the production method is similar to current DVDs.
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Its starting to happen. I bet more companies will follow. :D

Link http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050614/japan_sanyo_dvd.html?.v=1
 
mckmas8808 said:
Hey guys got some new news. I know it isn't on topic but I think we left that years ago. :)

TOKYO (AP) -- Japanese consumer electronics maker Sanyo Electric Co. has joined a group of companies led by Sony Corp. to develop recordable high-definition DVD disks, but will also remain allied with a rival group, a report said Tuesday.
ADVERTISEMENT


Sanyo's decision to help both the Sony-led group and its competitor adds uncertainty to the race to develop a global standard for next-generation optical disks, which are expected to offer sharper images than current DVDs.

Sony leads a group promoting the Blu-ray Disc format, while Japan's Toshiba Corp. leads a rival group that backs the HD-DVD format.

Sanyo quietly joined the Blu-ray Disc side in April, while retaining its ties to the HD-DVD group, the Kyodo news agency quoted the company's officials as saying Tuesday. It plans to have a DVD player compatible with the HD-DVD format on store shelves later this year.

The news follows Toshiba's announcement last week that it is preparing to mass produce recordable high-definition DVDs with a 15-gigabyte storage capacity. Hitachi Maxell Ltd. and Mitsubishi Kagaku plan to market the new discs next spring, when Toshiba is scheduled to launch the new DVD recorders.

Sanyo plans to make a key part of the machines that reads the discs for both formats -- apparently hedging its bet, as the two groups pour resources into a technology that is expected to revolutionize Hollywood movies and consumer electronics.

A Sanyo spokesman couldn't be reached after the company's headquarters in the western city of Osaka closed for the day. At the Tokyo Stock Exchange, Sanyo shares fell 1 yen to 272 yen ($2.50).

Blu-ray has more capacity, with 50 gigabytes, compared to 30 gigabytes for HD-DVD read-only disks, but proponents of HD-DVD say their format is cheaper to make because the production method is similar to current DVDs.
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Its starting to happen. I bet more companies will follow. :D

Link http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050614/japan_sanyo_dvd.html?.v=1
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It's starting to happen? Do you always jump to conclusions when something like this happens? You need to do more research man, specifically Sanyo's goals as of last year. :LOL: ;)

If you think this is a sign of Sanyo defecting then you're in for a rude awakening.
 
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