Middle Generation Console Upgrade Discussion [Scorpio, 4Pro]
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More CPU power would be nice but if game engines are already targeting 8 Jaguar cores, why would the console be unbalanced? You can always use more GPU for graphic effects without requiring more CPU power.
I forgot that memory cards could be used on 360. I think that kinda represents the consumer understanding though. One version has 120 GBs or 250 GBs or whatever storage marked on the box. The other has 4. Why does the other one need 250 GBs? If it needs it, how good is 4 going to be? You'd need to be a savvy shopper to know you could buy a 4 GB console and slap 16 GBs of USB storage in there and still have a capable console.
As for the Arcade, I recall it be very poor value. Here's the sort of buying advice I remember - http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/why-you-shouldnt-buy-an-xbox-360-arcade/
I accept there's some evidence there to counter my argument, but I think it's more an obvious number-on-a-package differentiator. '2x more AA' isn't a selling point in the same way 1TB vs 512 GB is, I think. Of course, you could have dumb consumers buying a 4K labelled console and thinking they're getting 4K games on their 1080p set...
I'm not sure a "premium" VR experience for a CPU bruising game like Fallout 4 would be comfortable on such weak CPUs. 90 fps is the target for the likes of the Rift.
If MS are wanting to leverage the best of what the PC has to offer to really make Scorpio shine, having a reasonably capable, reasonably modern CPU might be a good idea.
What if the console is launched with W10 and compatible with Steam? That would attract PC gamers, and people who are on the fence but has invested a lot of money on their games, from Steam, GoG, etc.
The CPU might already be able to handle what they want to target at 60fps and I doubt they can really push higher when with the beefier GPU. VR will probably use frame doubling or some other effect if it ever comes to Xbox. The investment to go with Zen is a nice thing but not necessary and probably will be cut to keep cost down.
I wonder how MS will adjust and position Scorpio after observing the PS4Pro reception and sales.
If the Pro does not sell extremely well, I can see MS shifting their strategy even before E3 to focus more on improved 1080p gaming instead of just 4K. Maybe even allow exclusives for Scorpio to position it more as a console for everyone and not just 4K gamers.
If the Pro does not sell extremely well, I can see MS shifting their strategy even before E3 to focus more on improved 1080p gaming instead of just 4K. Maybe even allow exclusives for Scorpio to position it more as a console for everyone and not just 4K gamers.
And lose MS all their software revenue. What's in it for them?
Xbox live subs I guess?
the PS4 Pro shouldn't affect the perception about the convenience of 4K, I think people are informed about the true capabilities of the systems they want to buy and 4K is the future.
In the end after the start of each generation of consoles, I ended up getting a new TV to go with the times, and money permitted, so I got a 720p TV and when I got the X1 I also purchased a new 1080p TV. See the pattern here? The 1080p TV turned out to be good that I want to keep it with me as long as I can.-the 720p TV is also working these days, and gave it away to my mother time ago-, and I am not sure I am going to buy a 4K right away whenever I can get a Scorpio, if I can buy it.
hardware sales....
some people also like the easy experience and convenience they get on consoles -so they get the best of both-, where they can play with friends, with their children, relatives, etc, drink a soft drink, a beer, wine, or water
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@ 50 seconds "so we gave the SoC 6TF of computing capability"
@ 2:37 "6TF of GPU"
@ 3:17 "the most powerful console ever built with 6TF of power"
Thanks for grabbing the timestamps. So, there you go. 6TF of GPU is 6TF of GPU. The other phrasings are open to interpretation, but that one is not.
The entire SoC could be considered a graphics processor, and legitimately so.
And anything from 5.5 TF up could be rounded to 6 TF without comeback, given that no decimal places are given.
I hope that the that XS is 6+ TF for the GPU alone and 300+ GF for the CPU but I certainly wouldn't bet on it given that presentation.
Every interview since e3, every twitter mention by Phil has referred to 6tflop gpu and yet for some reason we keep referring to the one mention of 6tflops computing power, as if what is contained in a gpu is not computing power, as if if its 5.95 gpu and 150 cpu somehow that makes it much less powerful. It could just be that maybe, just maybe, the 6tflop of gpu compute is the one that the are absolutely certain of and as such is the only one what mentioning. Its the figure that grabs the headline. We heard 8 core cpu almost definitely because the haven't finalised its makeup or its likely clock. Personally I believe that the 6tflops is just for the gpu. I am sure that between now and e3 next year we will find out the full make up of the system, one way or the other.
I mean look at Sony's own PS4P spec sheet. It clearly mentions the gpu flop while ignoring the cpu flop because adding 100 or 130 flops from the cpu doesn't isn't especially much in its wow factor.
So seriously, let it go.
I mean look at Sony's own PS4P spec sheet. It clearly mentions the gpu flop while ignoring the cpu flop because adding 100 or 130 flops from the cpu doesn't isn't especially much in its wow factor.
So seriously, let it go.
As if people are unreasonable for questioning E3 PR videos ....
People in the forum are guessing what's the CPU, because the Jaguar is okay for the Xbox One but paired with a 6TF one has to wonder how you max it out while also maxing out the GPU, and then there is VR and AR.
My point is, we are not likely to find out now. All we have is information that have been given and that indicates that the 6tflops is for the gpu. If we find out that its different then we can speculate on that.
It just occurred to me that one way this can be settled is if someone can ask Phil Spencer on twitter if the figure is for the gpu or the system as a whole....
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It's probably already been a discussed, but you presumably could have a 4 core Zen since each core supports two threads?
I'm sure xbone backwards compatibility would be trivial next to the 360 work they've done at MS.
I'm sure xbone backwards compatibility would be trivial next to the 360 work they've done at MS.
I need to go back and reread Xbox architects DF interview but I seem to recall them saying CU count doesn't scale linearly. They also made a big deal about clock frequency, saying CPU was more important for frame rate. If my recollection is correct I'd be very surprised if Scorpio utilises Jaguar. They talked a lot about balance back then and a 6TF GPU coupled with Jaguar doesn't come across as balanced IMO...
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