There haven't been any noises so far about a substantially faster CPU. If we're stuck on Jaguar, how world that affect our chances of seeing a 30 to 60hz jump in X1 games?
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There haven't been any noises so far about a substantially faster CPU. If we're stuck on Jaguar, how world that affect our chances of seeing a 30 to 60hz jump in X1 games?
It was not a complete reveal either, we don't know the memory type, we have rumors that look serious, and a launch more than a year away.
As an aside if MSFT (or Sony) is collaborating with AMD on tiny cores (whatever temporary exclusivity on those cores consoles manufacturers negotiated with AMD), why keep those cores unchanged instead of improving them? The hierarchy and the overall memory subsystem are good candidates. Improve branch predictors and other dedicated units from newer CPU could also be used.
At some point the contract between between MSFT and AMD was rumored to be 3 billion, Sony brang in money too, CPU are expensive to develop, the task is time consuming too, but we peak about a lot of money. May be AMD do no communicate on those cores because they are not developed using their own financial resources but the project is founded in most part by their costumers and so they are for now behind the wall of NDA.
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Last post from me as O/T but I agree. That's why the first thing I do with a new disc is rip it and store it on the NAS. Then the disc goes on the shelf.
Until I bought the kids some educational dvd's I had never, ever, bought or rented disc-based media. I just don't understand why anyone would do that.
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Countries who only recently got decent streaming services say hi.
Up until recently if you where not using a VPN you where not doing it right anyhow.
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Which is not only illegal but also not very practical at all?
I think it was quite practical depending on your objectives but dubious on the legal front depending on what your doing, although I don't see how Netflix can restrict Europeans purchasing services from other countries. Sky TV tried to challenge such a thing and lost at the highest level. Streaming services I would suspect do not wish to risk such a ruling.
Quality. Bit-rates and audio streams for streamed media are tuned for transmission over the net. Physical media often provides 5x the video bit-rate and higher quality audio streams, formats and number of channels.
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Stream restrictions happen everywhere. I can't watch a lot of older Saturday Night Live skits in the US on Youtube, but you can from countries in Europe. I also can't get most BBC streams in the US. A lot of Japanese streams are restricted to Japan only. Etc.
I can understand the Youtube restrictions on SnL, it's a product that's sold in the US. And I guess the BBC maybe restricting it so that they can make money off licensing for BBC America. But ones like Japanese companies restricting streams to Japan only? They are never going to other countries in most cases anyway.
Not limited to streaming either. Many online games are restricted by country as well.
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Is it too much to ask journalists to separate fan service and hype from actual consumer benefit?
MS is labelled as highly anti consumer. At E3 they made some significant strides into a territory that would effectively cripple their standard business model to bring choice to their customers.
George Orwell wrote, "journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations"
And that's what it's coming down to for me. Anyway I don't see how this is MS fault. The real fault is that we probably believe that we actually have legitimate gaming journalism.
It's pretty obvious we don't.
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It's got to be more like 10x from my own limited experience , I had Amazon prime before and that was serviceable but Sky now movies which I do pay for to keep the kids quite (Disney) it's an awful macro block pixel fest even on a 19" 720p TV.
Although in its favor is not having 20 ~ 30 mins of forced adverts on a rental DVD which was the last one I rented way back when that was possible.
Well, I'm thinking a "high-quality" movie streaming service, like Netflix there. Netflix appears peak at 5.8Mbps for their 1080p H.264 content, while Blu-ray has a maximum capability of 40Mbps for the video alone - it seems the stats of early titles in the mid-20Mbps range seemed to be fairly common for H.264, with 40Mbs really there just for MPEG2 encodes (which are basically not done anymore).
Yes, MSFT should know better.
I like his work, but to some extend the way of thinking people are encased nowadays is worse than those he describe in his dystopian books :5
journalism is dead, every major outlets is PR, One guy wake up from time to time but it does not last and he doesn't last either. Under cover we are in extrememly religious age, pointing to fact and being pragmatic get you alienated. I won't get into politic but logical fallacies are the bread and butter of most people opinions.
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I suppose MS could be working on highly customised cores, but the work would be vast and expensive. AMD don't seem to have the resources to develop parallel CPU architectures any more, and have thrown everything into Zen. The cost designing logic for 14 nm is supposed to be something like 4x higher than for 28 nm. Re-usability would seem to be key, as it was for everyone (Sony, MS, Nintendo) last gen. My guess is cat core or Zen.
I suppose a cache (and area) reduced Zen might be a possibility as it might also be a good fit for APUs, but would anything more than that be worth the hundreds of millions of dollars of investment and months or years of delays?
Also.. do we know anything about Zen Gflops? Purely for Scorpio PR point of view I'm wondering how it might fit ...
I'm not speaking of highly customized cores neither of MSFT eing done by MSF. I've clearly stated that if they are go through the pain of getting "cat" cores on the 14/16nm they might as well improve them. I also clearly stated the rumored amount of the agreement between MSFT and AMD (pretty old figures could have been debunked), I suspect Sony paid its a fair share, hence my comment. Reuse of functional units is common, ARM, Intel, AMD everybody does it, for example we know that Jaguar use Llano divider.
Zen is a great but 8 physical cores is a big amount of silicon and they've yet to launch, putting an APU altogether for fall 2017 sounds like a impossible target. Hence I start to entertain the idea of a follow-up to Puma cores, I've always been against that idea because AMD needs such cores and if they were working on them it would make sense to inform investors as they are not exactly going through easy times. A possibility could be for the console manufacturers MSFT or SONY (a real OR not XOR) to be the main financial contributors to the project, so the all venture would be for now under the radar (NDA, the detail of the accountability of the project is hidden behind the aforementioned agreements, etc.).
Jaguar and Puma are outdated porting them untouched to 14/16nm would be one hell of a miss-investment though we've seen others.
I don't think reworking Zen is an option or a good idea.
Well you can run the calculation, it just depend on the number of physical cores and the clock speed.
As for PR anything strictly greater the 5.5 should be rounded to 6, I don't expect such a gap but I don't expect 6,000 GFLOPS or 6,000,000 MFLOPS. I do expect stupid reactions all over the web though to whatever the final precise figure is.
You weren't around when the video rental thingie was going on? (*) Sure they've died out now but does beyond3d.net have age restrictions
, wait kids! I was just reading about a dude in the news today (famous case in nz who today became a grandfather at 30yr old)(*)yes they were called video rental though in the last few years none had videos
They should do like hard drives, is it 6 teraflops, or 6 tebiflops?
They have a legal obligation to the content owners. When u view content from countries outside u may be viewing content outside of the rights that Netflix purchased and extends to you through a subscription.
They may do,Sky Uk who has the UK rights for Premier League football which is also sold to other broadcasters as exclusive rights for their territory.
Sky was trying to enforce this and did not like people buying say Greek TV packages with Premier League football in the UK. It went through the courts and SKY lost.
I don't see how Netflix and film companies are any different apart from their being no court case yet.
Netflix is possibly a bad example for a stream provider as I believe you can authenticate with any Netflix region with any Netflix credentials so.you could be a UK subscriber trying to connect to Netflix France. To be analogous with SKY you would be a UK resident who pays Netflix France and trying to watch Netflix France.
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