NFL? I guess that just leaves the other 96% of the world guessing then?
Microsoft Xbox Reveal Event - May 21, 2013
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NFL? I guess that just leaves the other 96% of the world guessing then?
LOL, as I have posted recently, do not underestimate the value of the NFL. That deal alone is more than sufficient to win North America by a landslide.
96% of the worlds population 96% of the target demographic for this machine are not the same thing.
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Great, then have Microsoft release their tv tuner for North America only.
Because after last tuesday's announcement, I honestly couldn't care less.
Not sure about that.
There are many avenues for fantasy football already, and much of it can be found on NFL's website, including highlight clips.
I don't see why it would be an exclusive relationship for MS to have access to this data.
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Billy Idol
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Well, I trust that MS don't forget the (core) gamers. Phil Harrison said they invested 1b$ into game development, which seems huge to me. I guess/hope we get hammered with some of those 15 exclusive titles at E3, which I am confident that at least 1-2 of those will be exactly of my taste...which is everything I need for a day one purchase 
I guess you guys are still downplaying the importance of gamers a lot...if people don't buy the box for gaming, i.e. don't buy games, attach rate substantial decreases, publisher suits start using Excel to see if it is worth it and come to the Wuu conclusion...X1 what, 'teh TV changeling'?
Best thing for me after reading all the interviews: it is obvious to me that MS knows this and really heavily invests into the gaming part and gamers won't be second class citizens, see the interview by Phil and the investment they put into exclusive titles and the extreme amount of resources they put into the cloud to hopefully enhance at least exclusive games.
So I am confident that all you guys stating gamers don't count for a gaming console are just wrong.
I guess you guys are still downplaying the importance of gamers a lot...if people don't buy the box for gaming, i.e. don't buy games, attach rate substantial decreases, publisher suits start using Excel to see if it is worth it and come to the Wuu conclusion...X1 what, 'teh TV changeling'?
Best thing for me after reading all the interviews: it is obvious to me that MS knows this and really heavily invests into the gaming part and gamers won't be second class citizens, see the interview by Phil and the investment they put into exclusive titles and the extreme amount of resources they put into the cloud to hopefully enhance at least exclusive games.
So I am confident that all you guys stating gamers don't count for a gaming console are just wrong.
It's posts like this i truly don't understand. These consoles have always had regional differences, however minor, so why are announcements like the NFL agreement being met with such negativity?
MS has also said they understand that the TV interfaces are different globally and they will work to make live integration available to as many people as possible.
First i've heard of talking from the Xbox:
RancidLunchmeat
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Ummm.. What? First, as was said earlier, it serves the Japanese media right. MS went out of their way to court them and the Japanese market with the 360 and MS was told essentially to F Off. Not just through their media outlets, but also by the market itself. Getting a foothold in Japan was huge part of their strategy for the 360 and it failed. It was also proven not to matter. I'm glad MS isn't dedicating resources to courting a market that clearly isn't interested, those resources can be better spent in NA and the EU.
Second, bad PR everywhere? Have you been reading this thread? It's what we've been talking about for the last X amount of pages. The PR is all overwhelming positive. Fanboy rants on message boards is NOT PR.
Oh, and whoever it was who provided a link to infowars really needs to check the validity of the source. This guy is as bad as the 9/11 "Truthers" and belongs in the same category. He's the one who said Homeland Security was training youths in paramilitary camps and arming them like the Hitler Youth programs in Nazi Germany. Yes, definitely a credit source. Geez.
Revenge doesn't make you money ... looking petty and/or amateurish generally doesn't either.
RancidLunchmeat
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No, but once you bend over backwards to invest in a market and realize they simply aren't into your product, it makes no business sense to continue to throw good money after bad. The Japanese market simply isn't as important as it was in the Xbox/PS2 days, and MS doesn't need to do expend resources to try to increase their foothold.
Resources, even for MS, are finite. Once the girl turns you down for Homecoming, you'd just being a glutton for punishment if you court her again for Prom.
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The problem is not the NFL agreement. It's spending a rather large chunk of a worldwide reveal talking about how great is this feature that matters exclusively to north americans and no one else.
They didn't spend a similar chunk of the hour-long presentation talking about football (or soccer to some?) so if you didn't understand my explanation above, then fortunately you'll never understand at all.
Moreover, the huge chunk of time they spent talking about the spectacular tv tunner abilities of the xbone is another clear nod at north americans alone, as you've seen throughout the pages in this thread, this forum and the whole internet.
And if you still don't understand the negativity, the only advice I can give you is to travel outside your country to explore other cultures and meet different people. It's the best way to value the foreigners.
I was actually in New Jersey a month ago. Good-looking place, nice people too. I wouldn't want the people from New Jersey to feel excluded in a worldwide release of a console being sold worldwide.
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I don't believe doing this is that sensible. Let's say you have 10 millions users at a given time streaming a game and each user costs 100 watts (this is generous as they use CPU time, GPU rendering, gigs of memory, network equipment and cooling)
You're thus using one gigawatt, or the equivalent of the entire electrical output of a nukular reactor. Instead of paying their own electrical bills, users pass the cost on you. You have to house hundreds thousands of racks of hardware at your own cost, instead of selling it to consumers. And doing one or two giant gaming datacenters per continent won't cut it, you need dozens of them (à la Content Delivery Network) so that the games are playable, with a low latency.
It's most certainly doable but that would cost many billions of dollars.
I'm not sure anyone is disagreeing with that. Of course, the event was extremely impressive to anyone remotely interested in new tech. That is not why there is a lot of criticism.
The Xbox brandname is foremost associated with games. This is how they entered the market and what they've been doing for over 10 years. It's what most people would be expecting at the big event where the next generation Xbox is unrevealed.
There's no disputing that there are many potential tech savy customers outthere willing to pay top prices for new exciting gadgets. To a large degree, those people have been getting the newest phones and tablets every year. Of course there are also a lot of people outthere that are interested in the new Xbox simply for being a high-tech futuristic approach to interactive TV watching and AV switching, NFL and Windows 8 style apps running on your TV.
The general criticism is coming from gamers - people that bought into the brandname and have been a loyal supporter of it since this or last generation. To a large degree, many of those are disappointed because the unreveal event did not target them at all - and because there seems to be a clear idea that the trade-offs that were made to enable all that fancy interactive TV switching entertainment stuff has been at the expense of gaming. And the biggest competitor to the Xbox brandname - the PS4 - has made it clear in the minds of many that it will do that just a bit better.
Is that a bad thing? It is in my eyes. Because to probably many loyal supporters, it feels like Microsoft is turning their back on them in order to persue a bigger market - the one found in tech enthusiasts and casuals not into serious gaming. Will this mean the next Xbox won't be successfull as a product? Of course not - that purely depends on what the overal business plan is for Microsoft. If they are selling the box at a profit and 'win the war' over the livingroom, they might be happy with that, even if it fails as a gaming machine. Is it likely? I don't think so.
From the millions that bought a Xbox during its lifespan, most are probably less than hardcore gamers. I would say most that buy a console at launch are either core-gamers, loyal and happy customers coming from the previous generation or the here and there few tech enthusiasts. The success is critically bound to how well it sells. If the Xbox fails as a gaming machine, I could see a lot of those sales going over to the PS4 - and one or the other way, that news will spread too. A successful launch and first year attracts a more attractive future. If the Xbox is viewed, as associated by its name, as a competitor to the PS4 and is losing, it might well be perceived as a failure as a whole - even if it does things no other electronic device outthere does.
Just to make things clear - this is less to do with what is exactly inside the Xbox as far as technology goes but more on how Microsoft is handling the marketing aspect of it. They will be able to do well at E3 when they correct their focus. What they can't change though is the 'damage' they've done now with this reveal and the news spreading the internet about the trade-offs they made in regards to hardware compared to their competitor. Of course, they still have the bulletpoint Cloud - but to what degree that will convince people of there being parity... we'll see.
Also, I think some people on here have to realize that there is more to the world than what Americans want. The NFL stuff might be extremely attractive over there, but all the live-tv and NFL stuff is seriously uninteresting for just about all Europeans and I would say Asia/Pacific as well. The live kinect remote-controlling entertainment stuff is nice - but it won't sell to gamers on that basis alone.
IMO - it just feels like Wii (not Wii-U necessarely) all over it. Nintendo going off with a brand new console to persuit a completely untapped market. While it worked out on a level few ever expected at the time, I can't help thinking a lot of GameCube owners were disappointed and eventually moved on to either a X360 or PS3. Nintendo effectively gave up on them, while having huge success with millions of other. more casual buyers. While the new Xbox is a lot closer to its competitor then the Wii was to PS3/X360, I still feel the way they presented the machine so far will negatively impact the core-gamers and loyal supporters of the Xbox so far.
If I was a Xbox customer, I would be. And as a PlayStation customer, if the roles had been reversed, I'd be as well.
MS has multiple events globally throughout the year with which to make region-specific announcements, and I'm sure they will. As far as I know, MS never said that the live TV would start in NA only as part of the reveal. They later said it would start in NA and then roll out to other regions asap.
That said, the video overlay/kinect demo will just as easily apply to Netflix + Skype or a Blu-Ray + Skype, why fixate on live TV where 95% of what the functionality they were showing really applies to everyone?
You're reading way too much into and getting hostile. If you recall, NA was never a launch or primary region for console launches in the past. Japan was always first, so Americans have been excluded for years.
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Right now what forum gamers are moaning about would be the equivalent of Porsche fans posting everywhere how Porsche has completely given on making sports cars because they put out the Cayenne, therefore they must only be targeting rich soccer moms now and have abandoned sports car enthusiasts. That's about as logical as what forum gamers are saying now. What makes it more mind boggling is how these same forum gamers didn't see much graphical difference between current console games and pc games using an order of magnitude more gpu grunt and over a page long of graphical enhancements touching every aspect of how a pixel is colored, yet now we are to believe that a 33% gpu difference is cataclysmically different and will make for an unbelievable graphical divide between the two consoles. It makes absolutely no sense. To add to all the nonsense, somehow these same forum gamers can't figure out that you use a mainstream event to target the mainstream (the recent event), and a gamers event to target gamers (e3). Is it that hard to sort out? Sorry but none of this makes any sense to me whatsoever.
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What Americans don't seem to realise is, NFL, BASKETBALL, BASEBALL are American takes on world wide sports, there American sports and are worthless to anyone out side of America, which just happens to be.. Everyone.
To be fair MS did mention they would do something similar with the premiership football, which i think is the most televised sport in the world.
Some kind of big deal with some cricket organisation would also help them the world over.
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