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Microsoft Xbox Reveal Event - May 21, 2013
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That's when you slip something in her drink..
But seriously, there's not much MS could've done. Still, it looks bad though. I happen to think JPN games will see a bit of a resurgence next gen, so I think it'd be a shame if MS lost out on some support there.
But surely, given the news headlines and overall criticism voiced by not only critical loyalist of the other brand, but also *many current Xbox owners as well, you must agree that there is some point that didn't pay off particularly well, right?
Negative publicity is still publicity I'm sure - but sometimes even publicity can hurt you down the road.
I just think it's a mistake to not target the group that are your loyal fanbase first. Because if they won't buy your console - you better have a clear cut plan on who to sell the console to. And as it stands - at the moment, I think I see more Xbox users inclined to switch over to the PS platform than the other way around. And that can't be a good sign, even if you might be potentially selling to millions of people not interested in gaming - well to *us* gamers anyway.
Right there is the problem that everyone outside of a select few in one country had with the reveal. They were basically announcing a $500 remote control.
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No I don't think so at all, people that are complaining are the same kind of loyal xbox fans who spend loads of money of previous iterations, because microsoft catered to their needs.
Unless this cloud computing really offers something unique.. Ie gaming experience is vastly improved by it, then the main competition is going to be significantly better graphically, much much greater difference than the difference between ps360 this gen.
Xbox one probably doesn't actually offer anything unique over its competitor either as that also has funky camera, social and media functions covered.
A more appropriate comparison would be if Porsche eliminated their 911 frame, and announced they would have a singular frame for all their vehicles. And this frame would need to accommodate their new heavier and larger SUV's, so it too would be heavier and larger.
With 911 having no specific frame of its own and needing to use this universal frame, the 911 would then need to be heavier and larger and thus the performance of the 911 was in fact impacted by Porsche chasing after what they saw as a more lucrative market.
Fortunately Porsche isn't that stupid, they know that they've spent billions of dollars and many years building the brand and associating the brand with certain expectations which over the years has made them billions.
Kinda like a certain other company I know, but with a much different tact recently.
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It isn't so much that they didn't show games at the reveal. That will come with time. It's that the reveal showed clearly what the company focus is and has been since day 1 with the new xbox. This affects what's in the box and that affects the end result on the screen.
The specs revealed will leave them at a deficit regardless of policy changes and/or "renewed focus on games". In short, they're ****ed.
There is a post up on GAF about how the newly listed XB1 is the #1 seller on Amazon Germany.
I actually dont think this means much (probably every new console gets this spot) but we need all the good Xbo news we can get.
It's just one of this things, I kinda have a hunch it's gonna sell.
You just made my point for me, thanks.
It would be the same if monster truck fans complained that there wasn't enough talk about monster trucks at an Avon conference. There is an event coming up specifically for gamers, it's called e3, maybe they just haven't heard of it. Perhaps Microsoft's mistake was not informing gamers that such an event exists. It's in about 2 weeks or so, gamers may want to check it. I know it's weird that a company that makes no games like Microsoft will be there given that all they make is remote controls to access nfl content, but I suggest gamers check out Microsoft at e3 anyways. Who knows, maybe Microsoft will show games at the e3 gamers event. Wouldn't that be wild.
Based on the reveal, it seems they will attempt to position this in Bestbuy in the tv section with a demo area and hope people won't just say, "but I already have a universal remote" or "doesn't this new samsung TV do the hand waving thing with apps?" or "can't I do that with my tablet?" or "hmm, looks like a similar thing as the other new console, but the games seems to run a bit jerkier/blurrier on this one".
I can't see this selling to non-gamers as it is an expensive toy that offers little utility over devices already on the market which are much cheaper or integrated.
As for the gamer market, the reveal said all you need to know. Everything about the box is geared toward a casual audience first (which at this point, they are well fed with ios/android/roku/etc.) and gamer second. That's from the marketing all thew way down to the spec sheet.
I just have a hard time seeing people lining up to pay $500 for a universal remote/tv app/motion control.
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What MS did wrong here was it diluted the console hardware industry. Now every console will need to also mess with TV. And instead of giving maximum powerful machines for games , hardware resources will have to be alloted to making extra features work. Either this will lead to weaker gaming machines or costlier gaming machines. I don't want any of that trend as it hampers gaming, no one else.
If MS had launched a separate product called Xbox Magic Tv and made it the water cooler it wants to I wouldn't mind at all. But making a GAME console diverge and do all this jist makes for bad trend that has started and cannot be stopped now !
If MS had launched a separate product called Xbox Magic Tv and made it the water cooler it wants to I wouldn't mind at all. But making a GAME console diverge and do all this jist makes for bad trend that has started and cannot be stopped now !
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I hope u r right but from what I see already, it will sell like hot cakes in the US. If it doesn't MS will lower the price, eat losses for some time but make sure it sells . if they can spend $400 million to get NFL on board they can do a lot more to make sure the shit sells.
A remote control that plays their favorite game (cod), will eventually play Halo (there's still no such thing as a Halo Killer), Plays Madden, Netflix and Hulu, now allows them the option to not miss updates about any sports or television shows of interest to them, or not, and to Skype to grandma from the living room.
For most gamers in the US that is all they need.
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saw an interview this week, they said that you can set privacy settings to control the camera, it can not be disconnected but it can easily be set to whatever security level you are comfortable withThe 'logic' here is that on the far less secure system, the camera is optional and can be disabled. So far there are reports that Kinect is not optional (or will be so integrated that it cannot be disabled), which is where most of the 'distress' is coming from. Combine that with the system needing to connect online every 24 hours (also apparently) to keep DRM licences active (or something), it's a bit *tricky*.
But we'll see how it turns out.
The irony of you poo pooing the Xbox as just an expensive toy... While championing the ps4 while it is an expensive GAME MACHINE.
Toy... Game machine... what's the difference? Based on your argument everyone should quit looking at consoles altogether, as they are all seriously underpowered compared to the power and ubiquity of the PC. Why stop your argument at the ps4?
People spend millions of dollars a year using apps, or buying universal remotes in order to reduce clutter in the entertainment area of their house... Nothing has come close to fulfilling that need as this. This is the "applefication" of entertainment access.
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It doesn't really matter now since the worldwide reveal was what it was.
I'm pretty sure it's been said and written countless times in the whole internet that the World plus Dog minus America doesn't care about that, making it a feature that's only meaningful to north americans and no one else.
Why is this so difficult to understand? It's not just the NFL that doesn't matter to non-americans. It's the whole TV watch + TV remote + TV whatever thingies that are completely uninteresting no matter what kind of stuff is coming out of the screen, to everyone minus americans.
Actually, I was just trying really hard to make you understand, and I even said your city is a nice place so I don't really know how you take hostility from that.
So that's a valid excuse for americans to exclude the rest of the world? Revenge?
BTW, japanese console launches were always about games and gamers IIRC.
A similar situation would've been if Sony had spent half the time of a playstation worldwide reveal talking about japanese dating sims, exclusive contracts with manga/anime publishers and how spectacular was an app they made for viewing manga.
If Porsche only released a single new model or revision every 8 years, that's exactly what everyone would say about the company.
This is obviously not true and honestly a bit trollish as a statement.
Every single one of my console-playing friends admit to notice drastic differences between the games they see in my HTPC and same titles they play at home in a PS360.
Care to point where exactly is this Microsoft disclaimer saying that the event was not directed at gamers?
It seems everyone in the internet failed to see that too.
I don't give a shit about the NFL. I live in Canada. I'm not even remotely offended by the fact that they announced some kind of partnership with the NFL, even though it's a feature I will absolutely not use. I don't even have tv service. Why there is a small group of "hardcore" or "core" gamers in Europe and the UK are seemingly offended by this does not make sense. I'm sure Americans are fully aware that the rest of the world does not care about the NFL, and I'm sure they return the favour by not caring about what the rest of the world thinks about the NFL. When Sony announced the PlayTV thingy, I don't remember gamers in North America complaining or being outraged. Having a partnership with the NFL should not be a negative for people outside of the USA. It's just not a selling point to people who don't want it or can't use it.
So basically, this http://gizmodo.com/you-don-t-hate-the-xbox-one-you-re-just-jealous-509604549.
While that may be true, there is nothing this box is doing in that realm which isn't easily replicated by their competition.
Not to mention the majority of people already have their gadgets for apps etc, as you said.
It's a solution looking for a problem. And in the meantime, it weakened the one portion of their business that was performing and growing rather well:
gaming
the fact of the matter for me is... coming from 360 to Xbox One is an improvement of 8-10x power (+ Cloud)
There are devs lined up making games for this thing and the same games that will be on another machine. I am quite certain that my experience wil be quite satisfactory from a gamers perspective, especially since the IPs I enjoy will be there with me.
The only way I will lament the 33%power gap (if that's what it actually is when all factors are combined + cloud ESRAM etc) the ONLY way I could be disappointed is someone showing me a PS4 game running on an HDTV next to mine, or agonizing over DF reviews. Why would I do that if I like what I see already and enjoy the eco-system?
so bottom-line, most people won't care about that when they see the games they love (and new IPs) running on 8-10x the power of what they have now
There are devs lined up making games for this thing and the same games that will be on another machine. I am quite certain that my experience wil be quite satisfactory from a gamers perspective, especially since the IPs I enjoy will be there with me.
The only way I will lament the 33%power gap (if that's what it actually is when all factors are combined + cloud ESRAM etc) the ONLY way I could be disappointed is someone showing me a PS4 game running on an HDTV next to mine, or agonizing over DF reviews. Why would I do that if I like what I see already and enjoy the eco-system?
so bottom-line, most people won't care about that when they see the games they love (and new IPs) running on 8-10x the power of what they have now
You're going with anecdotal. I'm going with what people have said on this forum and others. Look back into the history of this forum, heck people didn't even see the different between Bioshock 360/PS3, a game that was heavily deficient on the latter. Don't take my word for it search this forum, no anecdotal examples necessary.
It was directed at everyone. If e3 was many months away then I'd agree that they should have extended it to 2 hours and covered everything in more detail. But with e3 so close there is no sense in them diluting their games message, leave that for the gamers show.
When Halo is on PS4 i'll agree with you.
This is a mass entertainment device which makes watching any media, whether movies, video or internet based, or games, or yes, live tv which people do watch still, EASIER. And it plays games at a higher fidelity than what is possible now on their television.
Again you are arguing about specs which are pretty meaningless until they are translated onto the screen for users. Users dont know the difference between 600P and 720P or 900P and 1080P.They may be swayed by the opinons of a salesperson, or their tech dweeb friends but the actual specs arent what sway them whatsoever.
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