Not good PR for the japanese but I can't really blame them. The 360 push they tried to do at the start of this gen there really didn't help much even tho they must of spent some large amount of money there.
Microsoft Xbox Reveal Event - May 21, 2013
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Michellstar
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Well, but it puts weight on the view that xbox one is an american-centric console and the NFL deal doesn´t help either (outside USA)
Ms is preparing themselves, i´m affraid to a perfect storm.
What are we talking here, just 10 invitations?
Not the money sunk last gen on japan
But now they have announced it and what it can do, it won't be long before such groups spring into being. Look at the backlash to Google over their glasses. I, for one, am very uncomfortable with the idea of a networked camera that is capable of reading my heartbeat being in my house with my kids. It's just not something I feel ready for. And since the Xbone needs it to function I can't justify buying one.
It's not just bad PR in Japan, it's bad PR everywhere. MS really don't need to cause anymore bad will before they hit E3.
Blazkowicz
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I think it is obvious there is a security issue, even though Microsoft spends millions on it. Is there a backdoor, I don't know, that's an offensive idea maybe, I could see it happening in war time but elsewise not.
What I would do
connect the console only to download games and updates, with a piece of cloth on the Kinect
unplug the ethernet jack once it's done.
Or put the console on a network that can't access the internet but can access your media files. (turn routing or proxy on to download and update)
How many people are writing complaints about the Xbox One's camera system on a far less secure system with a webcam pointed at their face? It is far more likely that someone will break in through your computer and watch you that way than it is for Microsoft to keep tabs on you in the privacy of your own home. Such a move has practically infinite downsides for them but few real upsides if they are able to 'get away with it',
Bagel seed
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Wow. Completely snubbed.
To be fair, they did only have room for 200 in that tent. Can't invite everyone
i dont think "logic" is really a big thing in play here. just a wild guess.
The 'logic' here is that on the far less secure system, the camera is optional and can be disabled. So far there are reports that Kinect is not optional (or will be so integrated that it cannot be disabled), which is where most of the 'distress' is coming from. Combine that with the system needing to connect online every 24 hours (also apparently) to keep DRM licences active (or something), it's a bit *tricky*.
But we'll see how it turns out. Personally not really a concern for me.
But we'll see how it turns out.
Personally not really a concern for me.
All camera's are optional. Stick a lens cap (or bit of insulator or masking tape) over the lens...
Bagel seed
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Kinect needs to be attached and calibrated to function, no? This thread is morphing into the one sitting in RPSC..
I don't think its fair to try and characterize people who are concerned about their privacy as over the top.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to ask some rational questions.
What info is being collected if any?
What is being done with any info collected?
Does any data leave the machine or is it just stored locally?
If it leaves the machine who sees it and how is that info used?
I'm not so delusional to think that I'm some important person that MS cares about me personally to spy on. I am a number to them.
But I also think it would be naïve to not even consider that MS could benefit from data collection and that they wouldn't be tempted to use a powerful tool like Kinect for that purpose.
I just want to understand the nature what Kinect is seeing and collecting and will trust the answers MS gives to these questions.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to ask some rational questions.
What info is being collected if any?
What is being done with any info collected?
Does any data leave the machine or is it just stored locally?
If it leaves the machine who sees it and how is that info used?
I'm not so delusional to think that I'm some important person that MS cares about me personally to spy on. I am a number to them.
But I also think it would be naïve to not even consider that MS could benefit from data collection and that they wouldn't be tempted to use a powerful tool like Kinect for that purpose.
I just want to understand the nature what Kinect is seeing and collecting and will trust the answers MS gives to these questions.
Yes, but I believe it was confirmed that the camera can be switched off.
But it's not just a camera is it? There are multiple sampling points in use that can't be quite so easily blocked.
Because a lead/steel/wooden/plastic box cover is that hard to use?
Interestingly enough, as I came into work today a few guys asked me about the Xbox ONE. These are tech guys (we all do computer security work for the US gov) but I never knew them to be videogamers.
Before I said anything, they started talking about how cool the Kinect voice controls are and how the reveal was great and they were leaning toward it over just getting a gaming system. They loved the NFL tie up and the ability to switch between inputs with voice.
I quickly came to the conclusion that we are just messageboard tech dweebs in a tizzy.
I'm just quoting you again in the hopes that people will read your post one more time and finally get it. Probably not though.
But you're not getting all in a tizzy like others that say that they will have no part of it. You're calm & collected. You're curious & want to be educated since you're asking the right questions. If everybody acted like you I wouldn't have made the characterization I did. If people who just settle down & take a deep breath & think for a sec I don't think there wouldn't be as many people complaining.
Tommy McClain
Love that. I think it's spot on. You're anecdotal evidence might be just that, but I believe that's probably more indicative of non-forum gamers.
Tommy McClain
Why should I have to in the first place. I can't really see MS endorsing lead lined condoms for their xbone can you?
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