Formula 1 - 2012 Season

[tongue_of_colicab]

Define safe.

Cycling is considered safe but take a look at the accidents in something like tour de france.
Playing football in considered safe but people break bones, tear musccles and even die. Most people playing football end up with some sort of lasting injury.

Driving a car, riding a bycicle, walking on the street. All considered perfectly safe but each year hundreds (or thousands) get hurt or die.

F1 in the past 20ish years? No deaths.

I'm all for improving safety but F1 means open wheels and open cockpits and they shouldn't take everything away just because it can be dangerous. Fact is there is a element of danger involved with motorracing. Don't like that? Don't go racing or don't watch it. Whatever you do there will always be a risk in going 300+.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

Driving a car, riding a bycicle, walking on the street. All considered perfectly safe but each year hundreds (or thousands) get hurt or die.

F1 in the past 20ish years? No deaths.

The amount of participants are "somewhat" different in your examples. If one billion people were racing Formula 1 cars each day, I'd guess there might be an accident or two more... Now having said that I'd like that the Formula 1 cars had more powerful engines.

 

[Silent_Buddha]

But it isn't safe! That's like saying guns are safe because kevlar exists.

Whatever, I see where he's coming from and I totally disagree, but Gubbi you are entitled to your opinion and I'm bowing out of this particular discussion.

In which case, every single thing in life isn't safe.

So, within the context of the speed involved and the general dangers of just living, it's pretty damn safe.

Regards,
SB

 

[cjo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19489930

Could be interesting if this does happen. Looks like there could be a few people moving around in top teams next year.

 

[Tahir2]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19489930

Could be interesting if this does happen. Looks like there could be a few people moving around in top teams next year.

Denied by Hamilton, denied by Brawn and those around Hamilton don't think it is true either.

I don't think it would be a wise decision to move next year. From what I read a few days ago Hamilton wants another long term contract with McLaren and right now they are just negotiating the finer details.

Kobayashi commented on Grosjean's penalty... too lenient, "Japanese driver Kobayashi said: "One race I was really surprised. I expected more than one race.""

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19512281

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

Given Kobayashi's not uncommen live or die actions he might want to be careful with what he says hehe. Though most of the time he seems to keep it at gently nudging the other driver's car instead of trying to see just how many wheels they can drive of other's cars this time like Maldo and Gros do.

Come to think of it. Cowboy must be the first Japanese driver in a long time that understands that the aim is to finish to race, unlike the likes of Ide and Sato. I always was under the impression they taught the goal was to kamikaze yourself into somebody else.

 

[itsmydamnation]

Kobayashi is a little different he normally catches people on corners there not suspecting an overtake, throws it up the inside under braking and gives the other guy the choice about what they want to do. Personally I think Grosjean fucked up, do i think he should miss a race for it...... hell no. If you ignore the outcome and just look at the way he acted he didn't do anything massively dangerous. He and Hamilton clipped (his fault) and from there it really was quite amazing how the actual crash unfolded ( not his fault).

edit: Remember Massa, spring in the head at 300 odd Km/h full speed into a wall without slowing, survives. how many other sports/activities/daily tasks would there be a chance of that? Yet in spite of that the FIA are still looking to improve safety. F1 is a very safe sport, if i had to guess the most dangerous sport, it would have to be lawn bowls for sure.

 

[Bludd]

Great race, Hamilton wins, Perez second and Alonso third. Vettel and Webber both out, very interesting for the championship.

Massa got fourth place and really did a good job both for the team and for himself.

 

[Tahir2]

Perez's race was amazing, surely Ferrari are going to be considering him. Only he seems to be able to be gentle enough on the tyres with pace to allow that kind of strategy call.

 

[Bludd]

Perez's race was amazing, surely Ferrari are going to be considering him. Only he seems to be able to be gentle enough on the tyres with pace to allow that kind of strategy call.

Driver of the day: Perez, he did some overtaking and managed a perfect strategy from the middle of the grid
Second: Alonso, had to overtake from 10th and really fortunate to receive the bonus of no Red Bull scoring, the reverse of last weekend
Third: Hamilton, no problems winning, did nothing wrong but didn't have anyone pushing him save Massa into turn 1 on lap 1.

 

[Kaotik]

Failure of the day: Stewards.
Italian & Spanish stewards on Italian track judging Spanish driver driving a Italian car, oh gee, what a surprise Vettel got punished for "pushing" Alonso off (ie not noticing that someone tries to suddenly come off the racing line on the outside of the corner in full speed past you), while Alonso didn't get punished for pushing Di Resta off the track

 

[Bludd]

Again, on the first lap and especially the first few corners, the drivers are given some more leeway than the rest of the race.

 

[Kaotik]

Again, on the first lap and especially the first few corners, the drivers are given some more leeway than the rest of the race.

That's not even a damn corner and there's a whole bloody empty track for Alonso on the otherside, "some more leeway" is no excuse for this.

You can't possibly claim that stewards in this case (or in most cases tbh) are neutral when it comes to Alonso & Ferrari

 

[cjo]

Not sure what the rules are about "off the track", whether putting 1 wheel off the track counts as crowding them out, or whether all 4 wheels need to be over the white line.

 

[Billy Idol]

The stewards were wrong, on purpose most likely.
They destroyed the race, they destroyed my belief in F1 rules and probably the championship...I see boooooring incoming.

PS: other than that, race was good. Perez had an amazing car...I like that trend!

 

[Billy Idol]

The stewards were wrong, on purpose most likely.
They destroyed the race, they destroyed my belief in F1 rules and probably the championship...I see boooooring incoming.

PS: other than that, race was good. Perez had an amazing car...I like that trend!

PPS: its F1 history that F1 officials and now stewards prefer Ferrari...

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

The stewards were wrong, on purpose most likely.
They destroyed the race, they destroyed my belief in F1 rules and probably the championship...I see boooooring incoming.

PS: other than that, race was good. Perez had an amazing car...I like that trend!

1. Alonso passed (again) before vettel got the penalty.
2. Vettel's car broke down.

How the hell did the stewards destroy the race?

As for the move, it was atleast a bit naughty. I mean come on, alonso ended up giving his car a rally test.

 

[entity279]

Yeah, although I also disagree with their decision, it had 0 impact on the race given Vettel's retirement.

 

[Billy Idol]

1. Alonso passed (again) before vettel got the penalty.
2. Vettel's car broke down.

How the hell did the stewards destroy the race?

As for the move, it was atleast a bit naughty. I mean come on, alonso ended up giving his car a rally test.

My opinion:

1.) It was one of the rare times I remember such a big failure by Alonso. Typically he is not only good, but also rather cold blooded and smart. But with this overtake attempt he did not only risk his life, but also throw away his champion lead.

2.) F1 rule states that it is only a fault and worth a penalty, when one of the driver "leaves" his line. Vettel stayed on his line, did not move to the left to bring Alonso out. It was Alonso who wanted to overtake him, to much spanish blood in this case imho, wants to stay beside him in Parabolica...and suddenly the track ended -> his own fault, he should have let Vettel go and take him on the straight or the next turn...

3.) Stewards destroyed the race: obviously they were corrupt, sorry to be this honest: not good for the whole sport. Furthermore by taking out Vettel, the whole pressure on Alonso was gone. Alonso only had to confront Massa, which is you know "Be aware of your tires, oh and by the way...Alonso is right behind you".
Who knows how the race had ended if Vettel stayed close to Alonso as a permanent threat...you really never know in F1

4.) Vettel's car broke down. You know, we can discuss all day and night what if and what if not and so on. But, broken F1 tech (as is the case for Red Bull at the moment) is often this unstable, chaotic and unpredictable that you never know what happened if his race did not get interrupted, e.g. by the drive through penalty. Stress on all components is different, thus chance to get a broken car is different. But probably yeah, at the end it seems that it does not matter much because of his car break down. But again, who knows how the race had ended...

I am typically an Alonso fan. One of the best drivers around, and a real tough asshole! Furthermore, Vettel is a little bit to arrogant for my touch and needs some tough times to get grounded

But I get mad when stewards or officials do shit and destroy the sport!

 

[itsmydamnation]

My opinion:


2.) F1 rule states that it is only a fault and worth a penalty, when one of the driver "leaves" his line. Vettel stayed on his line, did not move to the left to bring Alonso out. It was Alonso who wanted to overtake him, to much spanish blood in this case imho, wants to stay beside him in Parabolica...and suddenly the track ended -> his own fault, he should have let Vettel go and take him on the straight or the next turn...

you big assumption is that was his normal line, drivers taking the Parabolica can and do taken in many different lines depending on car weight/tiers/setup. What was vettels line in the corner for the 5 laps before it?

3.) Stewards destroyed the race: obviously they were corrupt, sorry to be this honest: not good for the whole sport. Furthermore by taking out Vettel, the whole pressure on Alonso was gone. Alonso only had to confront Massa, which is you know "Be aware of your tires, oh and by the way...Alonso is right behind you".
Who knows how the race had ended if Vettel stayed close to Alonso as a permanent threat...you really never know in F1


But I get mad when stewards or officials do shit and destroy the sport!

hyperbole much. One there was no pressure he was driving away ( i was watching the sector times ). Two the RB has zero straight line speed to overtake so vettel is hopeing for an Alonso mistake.

Based on what i saw, i don't think it should be been a drive thought, but i dont have all the data, you dont either and the stewards do.