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PC-Engine said:
I think this goes for the PSP as well(unless you're arguing that the PSP had the better launch line up?) Frankly both launch lineups didn't really impress me that much (though RR is damn fine, I personally need more).
Like I said before the DS launched, wait-and-see. Imo there was no need to rush out and get one since the launch games were pretty sad. PSP (Japan launch) wasn't much better imo.
Teasy said:
Now I see why people think you´re so sensitive regarding anything Nintendo. What happens when a product gains marketshare over another? Said plattform begins to be supported more and get more titles than the other.
Sony is a very strong publisher, but a lot of its strenght also comes from third party publishers and I want that kind of support to be mirrored on PSP.
In short, me wanting DS to sell poorly means more titles for the PSP.
The Nintendo specific audience I don´t think would suffer in my scenario, since that audience doesn´t seem to buy much more than Nintendo products, so I´m not hurting anyone. All they would lose is bragging rights.
too many Nintendo/NDS negativity....
we shall see how much impact can sony make on gaming portables. more powerful sure, also more expensive to everyone.
dont even try to present me with psp "convergence", like ps2, its nothing more than big talk with gimmicks that neither here or there. psp imo is still nothing but a "game toy" like GBA/NDS, as with ps2 is no more than SNES/PSX etc.
better more focused media players and powerful cellphones soon, for gamers and non gamers, will be more welcomed useful convergent over psp and its hidden costs.
almasy and kolgar when are you buy psp? cant wait for psp review pics!
we shall see how much impact can sony make on gaming portables. more powerful sure, also more expensive to everyone.
dont even try to present me with psp "convergence", like ps2, its nothing more than big talk with gimmicks that neither here or there. psp imo is still nothing but a "game toy" like GBA/NDS, as with ps2 is no more than SNES/PSX etc.
better more focused media players and powerful cellphones soon, for gamers and non gamers, will be more welcomed useful convergent over psp and its hidden costs.
almasy and kolgar when are you buy psp? cant wait for psp review pics!
Almasy
If you want to make sure of good third party support for PSP then you should hope that PSP sells well. Not that DS sells poorly..
Don't try to claim that I'm being sensative for noticing your comment either. Ty was first to comment on it and he's certainly not a Nintendo loyalist.
If you want to make sure of good third party support for PSP then you should hope that PSP sells well. Not that DS sells poorly..
Don't try to claim that I'm being sensative for noticing your comment either. Ty was first to comment on it and he's certainly not a Nintendo loyalist.
pahcman said:
Some degree of convergence has been reached already with this device. Plenty of people in the gaming age forums, for example, have been telling how this machine is great for a manga viewer, movie player and mp3 playback, aside from having a strong library of games.
Almasy said:
To bad this has all be done on other systems .
My ngage plays mp3s , will let me view manga .
My ds will let me view manga and watch movies .
The psp is an okay system , but i'm affraid its going to get to many rehashes from the ps2 which many of us here have recently played through and there wont be any enhancements
The changes nintendo made to mario 64 weren't very big though they were there , but that title is from 96 , its a farcry from playing an exact port of mgs for the ps2 on the psp .
This is whats going to hurt the handheld market
and hearing that from a nintendo fan ....
many people would pay alot for an exact port of MGS II on psp.
but no chance, konami released a f*cking card batlle game version of metal gear
so a 10year old nonbilenear filtered game is okay for DS but your are doubting original content for psp?
A cell phone with up to PSP graphics capabilities, mp3 playback, video viewing, 4" widescreen and possibly even a 20Gig HD to satisfy chap's needs.
I wonder what such a device would cost, or at what price it would be sold to customers. I'd quess around $1000. Not exactly competing with PSP and DSN.
Not to speak of the battery life such a device would have. Imagine playing a processing intensive game for a couple of hours, then watching a film, listening to MP3's for an hour... how much battery would be left for talking on the phone after that (or having used it as a phone for half a day, how much battery would be left after that ....)?
Of course you can fantasize some Chinese manufacturer bringing such a device to market, but son't fantasize it having much impact on either cellphones or handheld games.
I wonder why some people are in denial that a major selling point of PSP is the big screen, and the far superior graphixx.
And the PSP is not that much more expensive than Nintendo DS either. Especially if you consider the PSP is technically that much more advanced, and it's a no-brainer that if a (non funboi) customer compares the PSP and DSN, pondering which one to buy, a PSP is that much more appealing.
At the moment neither has a real killer app game, a game that has the same impact as say Tetris. But really, how many consoles have, or have had such an app even during their lifetime.
jvd, there aren't "exact ports" of PS2 games on PSP, nor has any such been announced (well, maybe GT4). I can't believe you think DSN Mario64 port is less of a rehash than MGS Acid :?
How is PSP going to hurt handheld market, while DSN isn't )imo neither are exactly hurting anything (quite the opposite), but...) ???
I wonder what such a device would cost, or at what price it would be sold to customers. I'd quess around $1000. Not exactly competing with PSP and DSN.
Not to speak of the battery life such a device would have. Imagine playing a processing intensive game for a couple of hours, then watching a film, listening to MP3's for an hour... how much battery would be left for talking on the phone after that (or having used it as a phone for half a day, how much battery would be left after that ....)?
Of course you can fantasize some Chinese manufacturer bringing such a device to market, but son't fantasize it having much impact on either cellphones or handheld games.
I wonder why some people are in denial that a major selling point of PSP is the big screen, and the far superior graphixx.
And the PSP is not that much more expensive than Nintendo DS either. Especially if you consider the PSP is technically that much more advanced, and it's a no-brainer that if a (non funboi) customer compares the PSP and DSN, pondering which one to buy, a PSP is that much more appealing.
At the moment neither has a real killer app game, a game that has the same impact as say Tetris. But really, how many consoles have, or have had such an app even during their lifetime.
jvd, there aren't "exact ports" of PS2 games on PSP, nor has any such been announced (well, maybe GT4). I can't believe you think DSN Mario64 port is less of a rehash than MGS Acid :?
How is PSP going to hurt handheld market, while DSN isn't )imo neither are exactly hurting anything (quite the opposite), but...) ???
Yes to some degree as i said too, neither here or there psp.
those bonus "convergence" will be forgetten once better focused players are out.
big talk aside, psp is still for games like GB. we will see how much it will affect GB. may be sony will open a new portable game market, may be not. they better hope so. portable gaming are far from high sales than console. they can forget about umd movies. psp games movies are priced at home console value. let see how much ever resource leaking developers will bite.
and no. cellphones do not need psp graphics. that the point you see.
those bonus "convergence" will be forgetten once better focused players are out.
big talk aside, psp is still for games like GB. we will see how much it will affect GB. may be sony will open a new portable game market, may be not. they better hope so. portable gaming are far from high sales than console. they can forget about umd movies. psp games movies are priced at home console value. let see how much ever resource leaking developers will bite.
and no. cellphones do not need psp graphics. that the point you see.
In one post you want device plays mp3 video games like some apple ipod.but better at the same time worse than psp in graphics because has smaller screen and lower resolution.
In other post you dont want psp convergence because does too much and not focused sony and want just for games.but psp can be just for games if let play just games not buy psp movies.nobody forces use mp3 and movie function in psp even they come as a bonus because one media format that let play them plus memorystick let play more.
In other post you dont want psp convergence because does too much and not focused sony and want just for games.but psp can be just for games if let play just games not buy psp movies.nobody forces use mp3 and movie function in psp even they come as a bonus because one media format that let play them plus memorystick let play more.
I think the convergence thing will be be a substantial reality for PSP. PS2 was to launch it but the infrastructure wasn't there. Now there's enough of a network through wireless hotspots and internet/home network/MemStick data transfer that media can be distributed.
Sony are already building a music distribution service to run on PSP, offering free game content downloads (according to an interview with SCEE I think), and releasing a few overpriced UMD movies. Many other companies have offered and do offer multimedia functionality, but Sony are in a position to deliver the content and are going ahead with that. This will continue onto PS3 while their CE division offers similar cross-platform media through provision of MemStick slots on TVs etc.
It didn't happen on PS2, but it will happen (for better or worse) on PSP and Sony's future.
Sony are already building a music distribution service to run on PSP, offering free game content downloads (according to an interview with SCEE I think), and releasing a few overpriced UMD movies. Many other companies have offered and do offer multimedia functionality, but Sony are in a position to deliver the content and are going ahead with that. This will continue onto PS3 while their CE division offers similar cross-platform media through provision of MemStick slots on TVs etc.
It didn't happen on PS2, but it will happen (for better or worse) on PSP and Sony's future.
no. said b4, psp is but a game player. will depends whether gamers want it as much as console. its better than ever b4 yes, but also more costly to own and feed it.
the "convergent" is neither here or there bonus.
if i want a media player, i expect to play various medias without scrimping and scamping for space or more load. when focused media players are out full force popularity, i expect them to do as better in display and all. psp aint the end all for screen quality u know.
psp game sales are lagging. i wonder how many bought it for gaming, will developers bite? will buyers still bothered when better media players are available?
also for example, cellphones are neccessaty than some GB competitor to bring out. it make more sense for converged device as such make calls, organise, have fun. dont be surprise if cellphones game out sell psp games.
psp may be the future GB, may not. but i dont feel compel to own one, happy with sharing GBA 2d goodness. rather spend on next gen systems, or wait for better media players, even could try out a DS or see the next GB. i dont care for expensive average handheld ps2 games with hidden cost "convergent", no fun not worth imo.
how about u? when are u buying your psp? what games u look for too?
the "convergent" is neither here or there bonus.
if i want a media player, i expect to play various medias without scrimping and scamping for space or more load. when focused media players are out full force popularity, i expect them to do as better in display and all. psp aint the end all for screen quality u know.
psp game sales are lagging. i wonder how many bought it for gaming, will developers bite? will buyers still bothered when better media players are available?
also for example, cellphones are neccessaty than some GB competitor to bring out. it make more sense for converged device as such make calls, organise, have fun. dont be surprise if cellphones game out sell psp games.
psp may be the future GB, may not. but i dont feel compel to own one, happy with sharing GBA 2d goodness. rather spend on next gen systems, or wait for better media players, even could try out a DS or see the next GB. i dont care for expensive average handheld ps2 games with hidden cost "convergent", no fun not worth imo.
how about u? when are u buying your psp? what games u look for too?
I don't think anything will ever be "the next GB". Even from Nintendo. That thing sold an insane number of units.
But i could be wrong.
But i could be wrong.
It's not so more costly.more costly than what? what you compare the psp costliness with as there are no similar yet out that sings plays and shows.you not want dvd costly movies on psp,dont buy dvd costly movies on psp but play dvd movies you already ownpahcman said:
Of course it costs to feed psp if there is too much games movies music you want to buy for it, you poor but but sony happy
are those focused media players also going to be as good game players? if not then they are just media players and there are already many like Archos,Creative but not succesful because psp more desirable and also plays games and better screen.also cheaper than $900 archos that dont play games.maybe will come bigger screen creative or arhos but not here and now whereas psp is.wait and see if you want but dont expect psp killer in games and media 2 year time soon.
PS2 was not bought for games initially gamer support came later after dvd novelty wore off. same happens with psp.theres too much owner of psp can do now and is not entirely focused in buying new games because can do other with psp too.most developers dont bite they suck.
cellphones are cellphones consoles are consoles not competing in same market.ngage was such didint succeed. maybe in future but not in 2 or three years in which psp gains marketshare and prepare for PSP2 with maybe hd.also for example, cellphones are neccessaty than some GB competitor to bring out. it make more sense for converged device as such make calls, organise, have fun. dont be surprise if cellphones game out sell psp games.
Everybody waits and buys what he/she thinks offers what he/she needs/wants. I for one wouldn't buy xbox2, because PS3 and Nintendo's next are just around the corner, and will most likely offer a gaming experience better suited to my tastes.
If I had money I would buy a 20GB iPod, because it would be nice to fit all my music in one device, what the PSP will not be able to do. But on the other hand, I've decided to put buying an iPod on hold, first because there might be new models later this year and second because I save money for PSP and 1Gig card and I believe the PSP+1Gig will possibly satisfy my musicplayer needs after all, and in any case the 1Gig card will not go to waste even if later I decide to buy an iPod, because I can view moview form that 1Gig card.
If I won lottery I'd buy xbox2, iPod photo, iPod mini, Apple mini, Nintendo "Revolution", PS3, Nintendo DS, Archos 40GB media player, Game Cube, and iPod Shuffle in addition to PSP which I plan to buy as soon as it comes to Europe together with 1GB Memorystick, Ridge Racer, WipeOut Pure and Lumines.
okay dudes. some may think i bashed too much the psp. but no way. psp is really nice for what it gives.
i just feel tired to see psp supporters always quick to put above the psp over GBA DS iPod etc, with the so many features thing.
as said, the features are neither here or there with hidden cost. nice bonus but when it come judging psp, its down to games.
and here is where fun comes. imo, NDS with huge GBA backlog and innvoative designs, can be more fun than ever. gaming need not be the biggest polygons, especially portables.
also remember archieozz always said about small team, small budget, small game, but big heart and fun? Simple expectations, simple games to kill free time.
i just feel tired to see psp supporters always quick to put above the psp over GBA DS iPod etc, with the so many features thing.
as said, the features are neither here or there with hidden cost. nice bonus but when it come judging psp, its down to games.
and here is where fun comes. imo, NDS with huge GBA backlog and innvoative designs, can be more fun than ever. gaming need not be the biggest polygons, especially portables.
also remember archieozz always said about small team, small budget, small game, but big heart and fun? Simple expectations, simple games to kill free time.