Enterbrain charts 6-13 Feb

[rabidrabbit]

okay dudes. some may think i bashed too much the psp. but no way. psp is really nice for what it gives.

i just feel tired to see psp supporters always quick to put above the psp over GBA DS iPod etc, with the so many features thing.

as said, the features are neither here or there with hidden cost. nice bonus but when it come judging psp, its down to games.

and here is where fun comes. imo, NDS with huge GBA backlog and innvoative designs, can be more fun than ever. gaming need not be the biggest polygons, especially portables.

also remember archieozz always said about small team, small budget, small game, but big heart and fun? Simple expectations, simple games to kill free time.

But the PSP features are above GBA DS and iPod. Well, at least the gaming and video features are. iPod still has the edge over music. It's silly to argue otherwise when the proof is there for everybody to witness with their own eyes.
Sony will very likely bring an "iPod" killer to market soon. Maybe it'll feature those simple games, a big screen and hd that you want, but you're not going to buy it because it'll be Sony, will you :? I bet if such device would come from Sony you'd bash it saying "even sony doesn't believe the psp convergence and games.now they bring a competitor to PSP themselves lol but who wants to watch just movies,listen to music and play silly simple pong games when gba DiS does more"

What is that "hidden cost" you talk about? You know what the PSP costs, you know what you can do with it, what games, movies and music for PSP costs for you, there's nothing "hidden" for you.

If gaming needed not be about better graphics, then why are we not still playing PES with pong graphics?
Just face it, people wnat better graphics, even in portables. Just because no-one has offered them before PSP doesn't mean gamers don't want it.
Simple games need big idea. Like Tetris. How many such games are there? Who really wants to play simple racing game with simple crappy jerky graphics when they can play the same simple racing game with mucho eye candy and is so much more immersive than blocky racers.

 

[pahcman]

No man. u still dont understand. bigger hardwared psp should not warrant such negativity against Nintendo here. psp like NDS is still games. it should be judge for games. what the point to put above features that are neither here or there? psp cant compete with focused media players when its time to go beyond mp3 music. it cant even compete with iPod etc now. i bet more people will use 3G phones than psp.

its down to gaming GB style.

if u think psp technology will be unmatch for 2-3 years than u certainly underestimate competiton, or overestimate sony.

imo console gaming more graphics to show 480i and 720p on HDTV is helpful, but portable gaming as long as it kills time and NDS innovation do allow some cool fun, thus an acceptable level is enough.
more power more expectations more risk.

yet due to production costs sony are controlling psp sales, games are lagging. ps2 is not good comparison. companies need not make psp games.

 

[rabidrabbit]

If it should be judged just for games, the PSP wins hands down
I really don't get what you are trying to prove there.. or here... here or there
If gaming GBA style is all you want, and think all gamers need and want, then you're just wrong. After PSP gamer's won't be satisfied with gba style graphics in handhelds. Like they weren't satisfied with Sega Master System and NES after PlayStation, N64, Dreamcast, PS2, xbox, Game Cube...

I'm not saying someone could not come with a competitor to PSP that is technically equal or better, that would be possible already today.
But will many be willing to try, because competing with PSP would not be easy.

imo console gaming more graphics to show 480i and 720p on HDTV is helpful, but portable gaming as long as it kills time and NDS innovation do allow some cool fun, thus an acceptable level is enough.
more power more expectations more risk.

That's your opinion, but I honestly think that will not be the opinion of most handheld console players later this year.

 

[pahcman]

why should psp games win hands down????
im sure many even here will disagree for sure.

i think u type wrongly to mean graphics than games right?

 

[pahcman]

Well duh, the only possibles to compete on same level as psp is MS and Nintendo.
But to compete with psp handheld entertainment, there wil be more than enough to enjoy and even be better.

Okay so let wait end of year on how psp will do then, in meantime everyone should stay off too much Nintendo negativety. Just for once sony have a superior solution shouldnt get too prideful.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I don't think anyone's being particularly anti-DS just because of PSP. Certainly my lack of interest in DS is because of what I consider of the machine, specs and design, abilities etc. It didn't appeal to me. Nintendo have never made a handheld that appealed to me.

Regards PSP not being so wonderful, I think it represents a lot of functionality in a neat and affordable package. Yes there are bigger storage MP3 players and movie players, but what can you get for $300? I've a friend with one of the Archos HD portable movie players. You can fit a lot on it (several films!) and link it up to a TV. But the screen is nowhere near the quality of PSP, it costs more, and do you REALLY need 10 films on hand at a time? Likewise the iPod stores more music, but costs a lot more to achieve that. MP3 players are cheaper than PSP, but don't play games or play movies.

For me, PSP offers the chance to play multiplayer console games outside in the sun, provides MP3 music without me needing to buy a separate device, and with functions to be introduced like GPS that I imagine it will handle extremely well. Compared to my gadget-hording friend with his £300 GPS system with a 4 colour LCD screen, £400 Archos system with smaller and less clear screen, £200 MP3 player, PSP's excellent value for money when you factor in it also plays a mean game.

As for gaming, though DS offers some unique functions through the touchscreen, a lot of what the touchscreen is used for can be covered with conventional controls. The superior prociessing power of PSP means more complicated games are possible, like the game Mercury is one I'm definitely going to get which also uses a tilt-sensor for control, providing a gameplay style unique to handheld gaming. So DS doesn't offer better gaming in ever aspect except graphics - PSP is capable of interesting gameplay itself.

Fundamentally I think Sony know how to appeal to the general public better than most. They did it with PS, PS2, and now it seems PSP will go one to do similar. Other systems may come, including more powerful systems, but more power doesn't mean more desirable as slimline PS2 vs. XBox shows. Simply choosing the most gorgeous screen possible for PSP is what will sell it to a lot of punters as my experience at the computer fair that I mentioned earlier shows.

I take nothing away from DS. I think it's a competant system. But...it doesn't appeal to me, and I don't think it appeals to as many people as PSP does, and I think Nintendo's assumptions how to attract new customers are wrong which might reflect very badly for their future.

 

[Teasy]

Certainly my lack of interest in DS is because of what I consider of the machine, specs and design, abilities etc

What do you really know about its specs though?

 

[Evil_Cloud]

All Japanese software sales for Nintendo DS (total numbers) until now (6 February), taken from Nintendo Dream:

1 Super Mario 64 DS 651,103
2 Sawaru Made in Wario 642,271
3 Pokemon Dash Pokemon 302,727
4 Daigasso! Band Brothers 148,774
5 Chokkan Hitofude 96,681
6 Kimi no tame nara Shineru 92,003
7 Catch! Touch! Yoshi! 91,070
8 Kenshui Tendo Dokuta 70,378
9 Puyo Puyo Fever 69,038
10 Mr.Driller Drill Spirits 44,013
11 Zoo Keeper 38,230
12 Tennis no Oujisama 2005 35,674
13 Mah Jong Taikai 29,763
14 The Urbs: Sims in the City 21,872
15 Spiderman 2 17,898
16 Brain Games Vol.1: Cool 104 Joker & Setline 8,309

In order to compare these numbers with the PSP software sales in Japan, I looked up the most recent sales numbers (30 January):

1 Hot Shot Golf Portable 264,303
2 Ridge Racer 208,759
3 Dynasty Warriors 199,789
4 Metal Gear Acid 88,207
5 Eiyuu Densetsu Gagharv Trilogy: Shiroki Majo 72,568
6 Ape Academy 70,471
7 Kotoba no Puzzle Mojipittan Daijiten 67,572
8 Dokodemo Issyo 56,649
9 Marjong Fight Club 50,863
10 Soukyuu no Fafner 12,334
11 Rengoku: Tower of Purgatory 11,940
12 Armored Core Formula Front 11,210
13 Vampire Chronicke The Chaos Tower 9,695


Nintendo DS numbers are one week ahead of those of the PSP.

 

[hey69]

1 Super Mario 64 DS 651,103
2 Sawaru Made in Wario 642,271
3 Pokemon Dash Pokemon 302,727


all the rest are under 100k. quite a difference.. what are they gonna sell when there is no mario/.wario/pokomon around?
answer mario/.wario/pokomon , they WILL make these game non stop.

milk the cashcow with golden gloves

 

[Evil_Cloud]

1 Super Mario 64 DS 651,103
2 Sawaru Made in Wario 642,271
3 Pokemon Dash Pokemon 302,727


all the rest are under 100k. quite a difference.. what are they gonna sell when there is no mario/.wario/pokomon around?
answer mario/.wario/pokomon , they WILL make these game non stop.

milk the cashcow with golden gloves

4 Daigasso! Band Brothers 148,774
5 Chokkan Hitofude 96,681
6 Kimi no tame nara Shineru 92,003

Three all new titles at places 4, 5 and 6, what is your point exactly? You can't expect all new titles to beat popular franchises, can you?

Also:

1 Hot Shot Golf Portable 264,303
2 Ridge Racer 208,759
3 Dynasty Warriors 199,789

Are these new franchises then?

 

[hey69]

no , i just like to hit nintendo that's all.

 

[Evil_Cloud]

no , i just like to hit nintendo that's all.

Well don't, it's worse enough here already.

 

[Teasy]

Just to go with Evil_Cloud's numbers. Here are total U.S game sales for DS as of December 31st:

Super Mario 64 DS - 760,835 (up to date as of Jan 31st)
Spiderman 2 - 242,228
Madden NFL 2005 - 122,504
Asphalt Urban GT - 110,750
Urbz: The Sims in the City - 103,573
Ridge Racer DS - 54,728
Feel the Magic: XY/XX - 41,778
Mr.Driller Drill Spirits - 26,529
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005 - 28,829
Ping Pals - 23,325
Sprung - 11,431

 

[Li Mu Bai]

We like to discuss indepth superflous features, UMD movies, PDA type functionality, but in the end it is always the software that sells the system. They are both first & foremost portable gaming machines. And say what you will, they will be purchased on that merit alone.

 

[Sonic]

Calm down a little people. This thread doesn't need to be so hostile.

 

[Almasy]

Certainly my lack of interest in DS is because of what I consider of the machine, specs and design, abilities etc

What do you really know about its specs though?

I think we all know enough to know they´re archaic, wether you like that fact or not.

 

[Teasy]

Almasy

No, I don't think you do actually, since it seems clear your basing your opinion on the publicly announced specs. The hardware is a lot more impressive then those specs would suggest. That's not wishful thinking either, its fact.

 

[Ali-G]

I think we all know enough to know they´re archaic, wether you like that fact or not.

ARM7 33Mhz
ARM9 66Mhz
4MB main ram
1MB video ram
2D graphics processor (unknown speed)
3D graphics processor (unknown speed)
HW T&L engine (4.5 million vertices per second).
Anti Aliasing
plus more unknown stuff

Not archaic to me.

 

[Almasy]

Almasy

No, I don't think you do actually, since it seems clear your basing your opinion on the publicly announced specs. The hardware is a lot more impressive then those specs would suggest. That's not wishful thinking either, its fact.

I´ve seen the software, and it looks terrible. That´s pretty much all I need to know. The thing doesn´t even feature bilinear filtering! That´s your first clue that this is one archaic little device.

Even if the games improve, they won´t reach out of its N64-PSX level of graphics. Its a shame Ninty fans can´t quite see this reality.

 

[London Geezer]

PS1 kind of graphics are possible on DS. And N64 without bilinear filtering. Which is pretty much the same as PS1 really, since N64's main feature against PS1 was BF.

Still, it's obvious that comparing PSP and DS side by side, opinions will build up in people's minds and Almasy is only showing what 99% of the people out there will think when seeing them both in the shops.