They scale res in all modes in their Games - but at Times you would hard pressed to know because it reconstructs Back Up to Output. Go watch Johns review of ratchet - they allow it to scale to something Like 1200p in the Quality mode at worst.
Current Generation Games Analysis Technical Discussion [2023] [XBSX|S, PS5, PC]
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This is insane! This is how the new SP3 on PS6 will look like
i'm sure a spiderman developped by insomniac with nanite lumen would look just as good, Sppiderman 2 engine might still have roots in the last gen, you can't just wipe an entire engine for a game releasing 3 years after Miles Morales.
Spiderman 2 will still look very good I'm sure, and will be a full game.
UE5 with nanite and lumen brings a paradigm shift, the kind a big jump in visuals that will take some time for other engines to follow.
Spiderman 2 will still look very good I'm sure, and will be a full game.
UE5 with nanite and lumen brings a paradigm shift, the kind a big jump in visuals that will take some time for other engines to follow.
arandomguy
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Is this a fair caveat though as it pertains to games? I believe this has always been a question mark with respect to the Matrix UE5 demo in terms of how it would behave once everything else required for a game is added in.
Sure if you have a CPU twice or more powerful than PS5 CPU. Nobody said PC won't be able to brute force it the way they actually do.
davis.anthony
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There's no CPU twice as powerful as PS5's
Yes its still amazing that they are releasing a second game for PS5. And as someone who didn't play first one (even on ps4) i think it looks fantastic.
arandomguy
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I think that might be debatable from a raw performance stand point assuming we ignore API/platform optimizations.
PS5 CPU is I think about a 5700g with 80% (a bit less) the clock speed. 5700g is about 1500 Cinebench R23 ST stock.
We don't know the hardware it is running maybe everything is inside RAM and there is no streaming at all.
Isn't that also true for PS5 CUs, because they fork with higher frequensy so use more data?
davis.anthony
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Games are sill massively single threaded limited and there's no CPU that offers double.
Well in theory they do. The faster your ALU moves at, the more data you need closer to your ALU. It’s a caching problem for them. Memory will always be the slowest aspect, and it will take an eternity for memory to arrive, so your CUs will sit there idle waiting for memory to arrive after w request. So instead of wasting those cycles, you give them a bigger cache and they work their code doing a lot of localized work instead. That cache which sits on the chip is going to provide a lot of bandwidth, much more than vram. It’s going to be cheaper I think as well.
The faster ALU moves at the closer memory needs to be to ALU. Or it’s just wasted performance.
somehow you gotta find a way to properly feed your ALU, whether it is fast or slow. You are going to either add more cache or more memory bandwidth.
arandomguy
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Cinbench R23 ST means single thread. CB R23 ST scales basically with clockspeed so the PS5 would likely score ~1200. 13900k as seen on that chart is 2261, not quite double but nearing there.
Also I did show you gaming benchmarks on that chart, relative performance of the 5700G is 55.6% versus the 7800X3D, probably likely at least very close to double if you were to downclock the 5700G to 3.5Ghz.
Again this isn't accounting for API/platform specifics just looking at raw performance.
I'mDudditz!
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LOL! If you remove the features that distinguish a game from a demo, no more stutter!
The textures aren't loading!
What is happening in this thread!?
well honestly if you put everything to 50% there are a very few stutter and still a density of cars a lot higher than any other open world games.
LOL! If you remove the features that distinguish a game from a demo, no more stutter!
The textures aren't loading!
What is happening in this thread!?
and in my video without traffic there are still the 45000 parked cars.
I'mDudditz!
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I did.
John at Digital Foundry - "Primarily [quality mode] aims for native 4k output. I found counting it that 1800p was the lowest that I found, sort of the lowest average. But it was also very close to hitting that 4k pixel count. But it can drop to 1296p in the rarest instances. I would say it's not really representative of the actual normal resolution."
So mentioning "1200p" for Ratchet and Clank in the context of discussing Matrix demo is very strange to say the least, and it's virtually worthless as a data point comparison. It is far more often 4k than it ever will be in the range of 1296p.
I'mDudditz!
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Where is your data to support any of this? And why are you conveniently side stepping the difficulties of render target while also incorporating game logic in the case of Insomniac?
GhostofWar
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You can get the mod on nexus mods and test yourself, you can also search youtube and look at other videos using the mod there's tonnes of them. I'm pretty sure none are using a ramdrive as once you get to above 50x swing speed it can cause stalls.
edit: went and got you one with pc specs listed. Doesn't list ssd but I think we can probably agree its a gen 3 drive and he can't fit the game in 32gb of ram.
CPU : AMD Ryzen 3700x 8 cores/16 threadsGPU : ZOTAC RTX 2060 SuperRAM : XPG 32gb 3200mhz
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"...something Like 1200p in the Quality mode at worst."
For context, this line of discussion was borne of your claim that Spiderman 2 was running at native 4K. A claim far more inaccurate than Dictator losing 96peas in his "something like" recollection of the huge scalability of Insomniacs excellent approach to DRS in Ratchet. Because, you see, their DRS is both excellently handled and hugely scalable.
And Dictator didn't mention Spiderman 2 not being native 4K in context of The Matrix. He mentioned it in the context of you saying it, and it being wrong. Any context relating to The Matrix came from your post, and the highly partisan war you're attempting to wage. Which we'd all be better off for you putting on one side.
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