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Where's the 15% number come from? Somebody reliable like @ZhugeEX?
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No, I took the initial around 10% stock number and increased it by 50% for a possible bounds. Do you think it could be higher than that now?
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I don't know. What's the source of the 10% number? The reliability of the original source of this number is important.
If somebody says 10% but it's actually 50% or 1% then it's still hugely out. But 10% or even 15% seems hardly worth having two production lines. I would have thought it would have been at least a 30%. I'm sure some retailers did not get their preferred ratios of PS5 vs PS5DE, just as some retailers didn't their preferred ratios for Series S vs Series X.
Yeah, I know what you mean - and that was my initial take - but of course you want something exclusive to play and now I'm trying to get Sackboy a bit cheaper, the reduction is rubbish. Likewise I can get Returnal cheaper, play it and shift it - maximum cost to me maybe £20. It'll never be £20 digitally (well, maybe one day - but you know what I mean).
I still want to dip my toes into day one games - when the next Naughty Dog game comes I aint waiting for a sale!
FWIW I just checked back and my local game said their allocation was 17 to 72 (and from memory the digital allocation doubled)
So thats around 20% (17 out of 89 total) for that place. So what do Sony consider "low sales", as 20% sounds respectable me. That's the remaining Doctor in the 4 out of 5 Doctors thing.
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Me too. There are a few games that I just want to play day one because I'm super hyped for them but most games stick on my radar and I pickup only when I know I will have time to play them.I still want to dip my toes into day one games - when the next Naughty Dog game comes I aint waiting for a sale!
But because I have so little time to game, most of that is reserved for those must-play-day-one games.
lol, it's not just me then! The backlog grows but the games keep coming!
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My Steam library is awful. I reckon I've not played more than 50% of the games but some day, maybe I will.
That said, GamePass is kind of liberating just being able to just download any old thing that you think looks interesting.
The problem (for me) is that games are removed - so whilst it's nice there's the 'fear' that I'll invest X hours then have to either give up or buy it anyway...and with such a big backlog it's not worth it.My Steam library is awful. I reckon I've not played more than 50% of the games but some day, maybe I will.
That said, GamePass is kind of liberating just being able to just download any old thing that you think looks interesting.
I spent a while making a spreadsheet of all the games I want to play though and approximate play time required...it's quite helpful but also sad to see I'd like to play some games but they will take far too long to play to make it worth investing the time.
I then also get sucked into endless games, there's a couple of zombie games on steam which I was trying out and quite enjoyed...and then my backlog grows even more! lol
OT - sorry!
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Yes, me too. Because my time is so sporadic and some games can takes months to finish, with GamePass there is a distinct risk that I'll stumble on a game late and it'll disappear before I finish it. Whereas if I just own it I can play on my timetable.
This is why is GamePass is not aimed at gamers like me.
What and the reason sony is making more ps5 disc editions is because physical is popular or because they make more money / loose less money on each one produced? We all know an optical drive doesn't cost sony $100.
If you buy used from online there isn't much choice in the matter. If you go to a store and they only have a few copies and they are all scratched what do you do ?
I have been playing games since the intelivision in the early 80s and I have had my fair share of physical media go bad even when taking extreme care of items.
I think you'd be surprised at how the reliability and speed of the internet has grown. Also if I were to go on holiday my system will continue to play games off line for many times. I also have a cell phone in which I get a hotspot service for free which is more than enough to refresh permisions. Lastly I can't remember the last time I went on holiday and did not have internet service. Since you call it holiday I am assuming your European so maybe its different vs the states but in the last 5 years I have stayed on vacation or for work in 48 of the 50 states. So maybe Hawaii and Alaska will have their issues ?
So you'd rather play ps4 unpatched cyber punk or xbox one cyber punk unpatched ? How about that tony hawk game where there is just an installer on the disc ?
Congrats on being perfect. Not sure what you mean by valuables box however.
As time goes on there are less and less advantages of physical. In fact about the only thing might be install times. But even that I will debate on. The time for me to get in my car and go to gamestop to hope they have it , well the game would have been downloading that whole time. With amazon even if i do next day the game will have downloaded by then. So I dunno, guess physical collects dust better than digital ?
More interested in how many are made and if it is popular or people only buy it as a fallback option.
Why do you keep changing your argument? You said 2nd hand companies sold cover because they have so many problems, I said it's about making more money. How many of those worthless policies actually get used? It's like any insurance policy, it's all about making money. As for your PS5 DE comment, yes, they lose a little more than physical version, but they will make that back within 3 games and over the lifetime make substantially more with the digital edition. Sony are making more disk version because it's more popular.
Of course there is - read the description. On eBay you're covered - in fact anywhere you're covered as what's sold needs to be as usable and as described. In a store they check disks on the way in and on the way out - not sure why you're making stuff up just to fit your argument.
Me too, in fact Intelivision was our first console and I have one in the loft. The worst time was the C64 where tapes got damaged through use...not quite sure what that has to do with todays argument of bluray disks though which are fairly tough...other than fitting your agenda of 'if it's physical it's bad'.
Are you just not reading what I type? I'm not at all surprised the internet is good, but services go down - be that the ISP or XBL/PSN...and as I said not everyone has the connections afforded to us...some areas still have really poor internet, and no, tethering a mobile is not the answer lol
No, I'd rather play a game than not at all.
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Not saying I'm perfect, just saying I know how to look after stuff, but then I am anal about my stuff and it generally looks like new after years. The valuables box is a box you put valuables in before you get on a ride. She should have left it in her pocket but was worried it would be broken on the ride.
Never said otherwise...the biggest barrier is price, personally I can see the migration slowing a bit as you get to the mass market consumer unless the prices change.
Of course you would...I'm sure you figure 30 mins is better than 5 because you can eat your dinner maybe, or have a bath?
Yes, if you decide you want a game which is already out and it takes you more than half hour to go to the local store and buy it, then yes - feel free to pay more for than privilege. For the rest of us, we'll pre-order or suffer a whole day of waiting to save ~50% (if you include sell-on).
It certainly looks nicer and has a better feel...but each to their own.
Anyway, I'm done with this endless cycle.
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Digital-only consoles always felt like a clear profit-win for manufacturers over the long-term. Even if you lost a little margin on the hardware, limiting the games to digital purchases or subscriptions in the longterm is a win. Back in September I felt this was the obvious explanation for the $100 deficit on PS5DE RRP.
Giving the user a physical drive and the option to use discs, including potentially pirated discs, seems like the far greater risk in terms of profits to the manufacturer. You have to question the motive of anybody arguing for the forced removal of choice from consumers.
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We, don't know that this is necessarily the case. If Sony are selling all PS5 and PS5-DE consoles that they make, but only 20% of the PS5's are the DE, does that tell us which is more popular?
I'm mean Sony can point and say that they sold less DE than non-DE PS5's but that's kind of meaningless if they are making less PS5-DE's in the first place. And if both are selling out as quickly as they are delivered to stores, that also tells us nothing about demand for DE compared to non-DE.
Personally, I'd expect the non-DE version to sell more, but how much more is the big question. With the current demand and supply constraints, there really is little to no way for us to determine with any accuracy which is more or less in demand, although most of us (me included) would likely feel that the non-DE is in more demand ... we have no proof that this is actually the case.
And we won't know until the demand:supply ratio decreases enough that we have stock of 1 or the other or both on store shelves. Hell, even that might not be enough to tell us. Consider that Sony make more non-DE consoles than DE consoles, there could be a situation where there are PS5 non-DE consoles on store shelves while DE consoles are sold out, and we still wouldn't be able to say definitively which was more popular.
Right now even Sony can't say definitively which is more popular because both versions sell out almost instantly. But obviously one sells more than the other because they make more of one than the other.
Of course Sony likely gets more orders from stores for the non-DE version, but that still says nothing about consumer demand if both versions sell out in those stores almost immediately. All that says is that stores feel like they'll sell more of the non-DE than DE, but it doesn't say anything about consumer demand.
TL: DR - I feel the non-DE version has greater consumer demand for 2021, but there is no proof that this is actually the case.
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I fully believe Sony put out the digital purely due to hitting the $400 price point. In past generations you had the split of hard drive sizes. So at launch Xbox 360 no hdd and xbox 360 HDD and you got charged what $100 ? Then you had the ps3 with 20gb or 60GB at launch right ? The ps4 and xbox one didn't really do this but they did introduce larger size systems later on and sony without a camera accessory like kinect was able to under cut the pricing of the competition anyway. MS then had kinect or no kinect at $100 price diffrences. But I think with the SSD sony was in a rock and a hard place. The system was already pushing $500 so doubling the storage would put them closer to $600. So they put out the digital and physical editions of the playstation to get to that $400 price point. They were some where between $400 and $500 (And we can all debate how close to either they were) but dropping the disc drive was the easiest move and shed $15-25 bucks. The $400 price point was right in the middle of the s and x and gave them a good way to get people in the door. once they went to buy a system and found the DE sold out because they made less of it the more likely already wanting the system they would just buy the disc version and spend the extra money.
lots of people use the policies every day. I actually buy a lot of my electronics from costco. With the costco visa I get a 3-5 year warranty on my electronics. If costco can't fix it they give you the original purchase price towards the replacement. Consumers wouldn't buy it if they never used it.
Yes your covered. You get the disc find out its all scratched , maybe it happened in shipment and you put in a claim and get your money back. But what then ? You already waited for it to ship to you and now your waiting for the money back in your account. If your poor you might not have enough money to buy another copy while waiting for the refund to process . Maybe the prices are now more because less people are selling or a new expansion comes out.
Bluray discs are in no way tougher than the old carts from back in the day. I've had blurays scratch in the disc drive
Yes some people. Some people also live in places where shipping new and used games is a very time consuming process . Bad weather also delays games being shipped. Packages are stolen if your in a poor area too. That is my point. Internet is spotty yes , here are reasons why shipping is spotty or game stores are spotty.
He will get the same issues if he had two playstations also. One is the home console and one is not. I have 4 xboxs here right now testing a project I'm working on. The home one never looses access to my games unless i haven't connected in a long time.
What an employee stole it ? Both Universal and Disney use electronic lockers with key for any rides that require you to remove electronics. Trust me I know I worked at the Disney for a few years and have been going down there since I was 3 (and lived there for 4 years)
It wont slow , it will be like a finger snap when the device manufacturers get down to a point where physical doesn't make financial sense and they are getting there quickly. Shipping discs in the mid 2020s is going to make very little sense in the majority of the world and in the places it still makes sense you may see console variants or other solutions that are only available there.
There are plenty of games out there that download as fast as they install off a bluray or are so close it not an issue. Bluray is what 92Mbit/s -144 for transfer rates . My internet is capable of 900Mbit/s and I can often pull down games from xbox in the 100-200Mbit range.
Time is money my friend and gas is money also. I remember going to gamestop for a midnight launch and waiting for the game to come out only to bring it home and install it and then be so tired that i couldn't enjoy it. But with pre loading I could just go ahead and buy the game early and let it slowly download if need be. I buy digital myself and there are many games a year I buy for 50-75% off. Maybe I'm just old and I prioritize the games I want and what I am willing to pay for them. There plenty of games I wait to purchase because they are single player and I rather get a multiplayer game to play with my friends or maybe there are games on game pass I'm enjoying and so i wait for a better deal on a new release. You act like games don't drop in price
I used to love physical i had thousands of dvds and tons of games. But then when moving from my parents to my own apartment I realized that I had multiple pieces of furniture just to store all the dvds and games. I ended up going through the movies and games and I realized that many of them were watched once and weren't touched for years or a decade at that point. I looked at games that were similar. Most I sold and only kept ones important to me. My first apartment was a 1 bed room and as I finished the process of selling the dvds and games and got to remove a piece of furniture I gained back so much precious room. Now in my vr basement / office / game room I have a pc with all my games on it and I still have that intellivision down there for my nieces and nephews to laugh at and play with and act like I'm ancient but at the end of the day my life is better with out all the clutter
I also agree its an endless cycle. But hey we will see when digital goes away. I think this is the last generation. I thought this generation might have skipped it all together but now both companies have digital only boxes and from the start of the generation. So time will tell.
We kind of do know this;
1) only a stupid company would potentially lose customers to the competition by not supplying enough product, they would have done market research and produced product accordingly
2) demand is higher for the disk version as resale is higher, just check our eBay etc for the proof
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Yup. Sony will know how many people are buying digital vs. physical games and how many are buying both (like me) and that is most likely what steered them to settle on whatever PS5 vs PS4DE production output there was, much like Microsoft and Series X vs Series S production was likely based on One S vs One X sales combined with physical vs. digital purchasing habits - that's a more complex analysis.
Even if you don't plan on buying any future games on disc, you might still want to play PS4 games who already own on disc, or want the ability to play games that friends/colleagues/family lend/give you and the console may also be your DVD/Blu-ray media player. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Yes. There's going to be a transitioning period from the mixed era to the digital only era that might take 5-7 years even, but I do think we are headed to digital only. Sony and MS both want it, they just don't want to piss off consumers too much.
It should also be noted that many people here always argue from a place of logic, but consumer behaviour is more emotional than logical. Digital is quite convenient for quick purchases, no storage requirements, impulse-buy friendly, thought to be environmentally friendly, among other emotional reasons for not bothering with physical media. I personally don't know anyone under 40 that is still buying physical media.
It should also be noted that many people here always argue from a place of logic, but consumer behaviour is more emotional than logical. Digital is quite convenient for quick purchases, no storage requirements, impulse-buy friendly, thought to be environmentally friendly, among other emotional reasons for not bothering with physical media. I personally don't know anyone under 40 that is still buying physical media.
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