All purpose Sales and Sales Rumors and Anecdotes [2017 Edition]

[mpg1]

So looks like in Canada PS4 Pro will be on sale for $399.99 (includes a game as well) on Black Friday. For reference X1X costs $599.99 here. So $200 dollar price diff...

Even more to the point Xbox One S will be on sale for $229.99 almost only a 1/3 of the X1X price...

Definitely a bit more pessimistic now of X1X sales during the holidays...at least here in Canada.

 

[Tkumpathenurple]

What factors could help to reduce the manufacturing cost of the X1X over the coming months/years?

A node shrink is the most obvious one, but 2019 seems to be the soonest point at which that will be possible, so it needs something in the interim.

Is GDDR5 due to get any cheaper any time soon? Could the cooling solution be made any cheaper or just get any cheaper through economies of scale?

 

[BRiT]

Black Friday Reference Points in the US:

Xbox 360 Original Model $0 after $60 Visa Rebate Card (GameStop)

Xbox One S 500 GB will be $189 with various bundles or $25 - $45 store credit (Target, Kohls)
PS4 Slim 1TB will be $199 with various bundles or $50 - $60 store credit (GameStop, Kohls)

PS 4Pro will be $349 at GameStop

PlayStation VR will be $199 at Target
PlayStation VR is already $199 at Newegg (sale ends in 16 hours)

 

[BRiT]

@MrFox how is the Newegg PlayStation VR $199 online sale for you across the border? Can you still get in on it?

 

[iroboto]

What factors could help to reduce the manufacturing cost of the X1X over the coming months/years?

A node shrink is the most obvious one, but 2019 seems to be the soonest point at which that will be possible, so it needs something in the interim.

Is GDDR5 due to get any cheaper any time soon? Could the cooling solution be made any cheaper or just get any cheaper through economies of scale?

From industry standpoint:

• Node shrink
• Memory Prices
• Hard Drive prices
• Maybe UHD drive prices

Everything else will only be discounted through high volume production.

I don't expect any permanent price drop for a while, I don't think 4Pro got one either, they do have a $50 discount for BF though.

 

[MrFox]

@MrFox how is the Newegg PlayStation VR $199 online sale for you across the border? Can you still get in on it?

No it seems to be US only.

 

[MrFox]

From industry standpoint:

• Node shrink
• Memory Prices
• Hard Drive prices
• Maybe UHD drive prices

Everything else will only be discounted through high volume production.

I don't expect any permanent price drop for a while, I don't think 4Pro got one either, they do have a $50 discount for BF though.

Also the SoC yield could be a big factor for the first year of xb1x production. And we can expect the cost of 14/16 to drop over time as fabs volume go up. Then it's slim revision, 7nm, smaller PSU and everything, maybe gddr6 using half the chips, ditch the vapor chamber depending on how much it costs.

HDD cost never really drop for consoles, they always put the lowest cost single platter, which is now a 1TB. They will just replace it with a 1.5 or 2TB at some point.

 

[iroboto]

Also the SoC yield could be a big factor for the first year of xb1x production. And we can expect the cost of 14/16 to drop over time as fabs volume go up. Then it's slim revision, 7nm, smaller PSU and everything, maybe gddr6 using half the chips, ditch the vapor chamber depending on how much it costs.

HDD cost never really drop for consoles, they always put the lowest cost single platter, which is now a 1TB. They will just replace it with a 1.5 or 2TB at some point.

I thought this was fab based? So yields improve as the process improves, I didn't think this was per design? If so I have been greatly misinformed about the whole process.

 

[MrFox]

I thought this was fab based? So yields improve as the process improves, I didn't think this was per design? If so I have been greatly misinformed about the whole process.

I'm just guessing. But since they use a much higher clock for a similar AMD design, they will get more advantage from process improvement?

 

[iroboto]

I'm just guessing. But since they use a much higher clock for a similar AMD design, they will get more advantage from process improvement?

I think you're right. My assumption on the waiting for Scorpio 1 year after 4Pro must have to deal with that. They needed 1 year to wait on process and price to come down enough to go forward with it. Ram and HDD prices certainly didn't come down, and it's using the same node as 4Pro. I can only assume from this information that you are right.

 

[wco81]

By 2019, they should be looking at the next generation, not recycling the current one.

 

[djskribbles]

So looks like in Canada PS4 Pro will be on sale for $399.99 (includes a game as well) on Black Friday. For reference X1X costs $599.99 here. So $200 dollar price diff...

Even more to the point Xbox One S will be on sale for $229.99 almost only a 1/3 of the X1X price...

Definitely a bit more pessimistic now of X1X sales during the holidays...at least here in Canada.

Price doesn't matter nearly as much when it comes to console launches, and XB1X is basically a console launch for Xbox fans. Pent up sales from pre-orders, launch of XB1X + 189 XB1S should give MS a big November.

Sony has the 199 + 50 GC and $350 PS4 Pro, ad they started the 199 price a bit early. This may be enough, but I still think XB1 will slightly outsell PS4 in November. Depending any unexpected deals from either company, I think Sony takes December though.

As for Switch, I have no idea.

 

[manux]

499 is expensive and it goes against sub 200$ black friday deals for older consoles. MS could win november sales but it might very well be thanks to the not so new cheaper model.

 

[goonergaz]

Price doesn't matter nearly as much when it comes to console launches, and XB1X is basically a console launch for Xbox fans. Pent up sales from pre-orders, launch of XB1X + 189 XB1S should give MS a big November.

Sony has the 199 + 50 GC and $350 PS4 Pro, ad they started the 199 price a bit early. This may be enough, but I still think XB1 will slightly outsell PS4 in November. Depending any unexpected deals from either company, I think Sony takes December though.

As for Switch, I have no idea.

MS not taking November would be a massive fail - it should win easily

 

[MrFox]

It's a year and a half of people waiting for scorpio, the entire preorder stock and the in-stores launch sales are going to be counted as november sales. With 900k worldwide expected for xb1x alone in 2017, the large majority in november (probably out of stock during december, like most hardware launches), and the large majority in the US, that's a nice boost for nov npd.

 

[BRiT]

It may take NPD but not by units but by revenue. Lots of OneX at $500 is worth 2.6 OneS at $190.

Which measurement is meaningful?

 

[djskribbles]

It's a year and a half of people waiting for scorpio, the entire preorder stock and the in-stores launch sales are going to be counted as november sales. With 900k worldwide expected for xb1x alone in 2017, the large majority in november (probably out of stock during december, like most hardware launches), and the large majority in the US, that's a nice boost for nov npd.

+1

XB1X launch sales in the UK were 80K, and XB1 launch sales were 150K. I believe they sold 1M in the US (edit: a little over 900K). I think 400-500K is a reasonable guess for XB1X in the US. That will probably make up for close to half of all XB1 sales.

 

[bunge]

It may take NPD but not by units but by revenue. Lots of OneX at $500 is worth 2.6 OneS at $190.

Which measurement is meaningful?

As someone with a PlayStation this generation and who hasn’t jumped into the Xbox yet, whichever measurement helps Sony look best.

 

[MrFox]

As someone with a PlayStation this generation and who hasn’t jumped into the Xbox yet, whichever measurement helps Sony look best.

Number of copies of games sold featuring awesome robot dinosaurs. It's a slam dunk.

 

[BRiT]

Number of copies of games sold featuring awesome robot dinosaurs. It's a slam dunk.

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