All purpose Sales and Sales Rumors and Anecdotes [2016 Edition]
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With Sony already dominating and PSVR set to be the new hype in console for a while (and why not, we've waited long enough for VR!), MS are going to have to think long and hard about how they make their console relevant to enough people.
I think MS's focus until XBone Two has just got to be about survival, and not spilling enough red ink to bring the axe down from above. Cut the fat and fall back to core gamers, and rebuild next gen.
I think MS's focus until XBone Two has just got to be about survival, and not spilling enough red ink to bring the axe down from above. Cut the fat and fall back to core gamers, and rebuild next gen.
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Which means cuts this gen short.
My feeling too.
Ehh, function is always on his doom and gloom. It's hardly great but it's not that bad either. I doubt there's any "red ink" at all, only less black.
Remember last Ubi software sales share, 41% PS4 27% XBO. Sure that can fluctuate and look worse for XBO in future, but it shows something.
I agree about a shorter gen tho. For a 5 yr gen MS has to release again late 2018 or just 2.5 years. They'd have to have things already heavily underway, briefing devs etc. I dont see that happening, so probably 2018 is fairly ruled out already
Remember last Ubi software sales share, 41% PS4 27% XBO. Sure that can fluctuate and look worse for XBO in future, but it shows something.
I agree about a shorter gen tho. For a 5 yr gen MS has to release again late 2018 or just 2.5 years. They'd have to have things already heavily underway, briefing devs etc. I dont see that happening, so probably 2018 is fairly ruled out already
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1.5 years. Which comes back to Sony and a PS4.5. Unless MS is willing to bust the budget on a big die they might not get much distance between their next gen and a PS4.5. Certainly not a generational leap.Ehh, function is always on his doom and gloom. It's hardly great but it's not that bad either. I doubt there's any "red ink" at all, only less black.
Remember last Ubi software sales share, 41% PS4 27% XBO. Sure that can fluctuate and look worse for XBO in future, but it shows something.
I agree about a shorter gen tho. For a 5 yr gen MS has to release again late 2018 or just 2.5 years. They'd have to have things already heavily underway, briefing devs etc. I dont see that happening, so probably 2018 is fairly ruled out already
MS already talked about a Xbox 1.5 though, before we learned of Sony's plans : http://www.polygon.com/2016/3/1/11121666/xbox-one-hardware-upgrades-phil-spencer-microsoft
I guess strictly speaking, MS spoke more of a continuous upgrade cycle, while Sony we only know of one single supposed PS4 upgrade. But that's not to say that would be the only one Sony had planned. I think once you open that rabbit hole it will be hard to go back and hard to stop at one. Because you risk being left behind if the other guy keeps iterating lets say, yearly.
And late 2018 is 2.5 years from now...
I guess strictly speaking, MS spoke more of a continuous upgrade cycle, while Sony we only know of one single supposed PS4 upgrade. But that's not to say that would be the only one Sony had planned. I think once you open that rabbit hole it will be hard to go back and hard to stop at one. Because you risk being left behind if the other guy keeps iterating lets say, yearly.
And late 2018 is 2.5 years from now...
Before the leak of Sony's plans and before MS's talk [in which Spencer clearly said "You'll actually see us come out with new hardware capability during a generation"], we can actually find an instance in which one of the SCE bossess from Japan talked about possible hardware upgrade of PS4
www.gamespot.com/articles/high-power-ps4-model-something-sony-might-consider/1100-6431669/
Here's something I haven't heard many speak of...everything is going so well for PS4 sales nowdays, could PSVR somehow screw it up?
I mean, do you fix what aint broke, so to speak?
What if lets say, people perceive "well you need that PSVR thing, and that's $500, so you need PS4 and PSVR to really get the full experience, that's $900, eh, maybe we'll just get an XBox or NX".
I dont know, just thinking. You could argue in the long run Kinect damaged XBox a lot...Move failed miserably, the history of add ons is certainly fraught.
I mean, do you fix what aint broke, so to speak?
What if lets say, people perceive "well you need that PSVR thing, and that's $500, so you need PS4 and PSVR to really get the full experience, that's $900, eh, maybe we'll just get an XBox or NX".
I dont know, just thinking. You could argue in the long run Kinect damaged XBox a lot...Move failed miserably, the history of add ons is certainly fraught.
Interesting. So they were reticent like me...perhaps Spencers comments scared them...
No way to know who thought of it first
The weird thing is it must seem pretty compelling if they both arrived at the same conclusion. Although I dont agree...
Perhaps it's something like "virtually free" from a hardware standpoint, to lets say add a few CU's. Although again, I cannot see how.
MS seems to think about it from an OS standpoint...hey we've got this overarching OS now on PC and XBO anyway...now we can decouple some stuff from hardware...
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Well, Phil Spencer mentioned a "new hardware capability during a generation" but he didn't say it was this generation. This is just how some editorials, like Polygon, interpreted the statement but that sure isn't what Phil Spencer said.
Phil Spencer: "When you look at the console space, I believe we will see more hardware innovation in the console space than we've ever seen. You'll actually see us come out with new hardware capability during a generation allowing the same games to run backward and forward compatible because we have a Universal Windows Application running on top of the Universal Windows Platform that allows us to focus more and more on hardware innovation without invalidating the games that run on that platform."
Like I said in this post, I think UWP (which is key to his prediction) is a foundation technology designed for long-term benefits. I think the aim will be for the next Xbox to be exclusively a UWP platform running UWP games. Now here's the fait accompli; if UWP has taken off with game developers the next Xbox will run those games day 1. If UWP hasn't taken off, the UWP Xbox will be a shot in the arm because now all future Xbox games will run on Windows 10.
My PR bullshit sense is tingling. "No immediate plans" = We're not doing it this quarter, we're doing it next quarter. And there is no way this is a Sony reaction to Phil Spencer's comments. Developer engagement on new hardware is some way down the process. This is like the fanboy nonsense theory that Sony priced PS4 only after seeing Microsoft's price. Because that's how you price consumer hardware, by pulling numbers out of your arse before you go on stage.
SCE boss interview was 5 months before Spencer interview. His comments did not have effect on Sony, their plans were already well on the way by then.
AMD thought it first, probably ~2 years before 8th gen was released in their first meeting with Sony and MS. Upgradeability is in the core of X86, and I'm sure both platform holders were aware of it from the start and probably though it as a key component for the future of their businesses.
MS went with approach of placing apps inside ~ISO archive that is run by a virtual machine, which is clear sign to me that they though about future upgrades from the very start. On PS4 we don't know how FreeBSD manages games, but I'm sure there won't be any major issues for both platforms.
No way to know who thought of it first
AMD thought it first, probably ~2 years before 8th gen was released in their first meeting with Sony and MS. Upgradeability is in the core of X86, and I'm sure both platform holders were aware of it from the start and probably though it as a key component for the future of their businesses.
MS went with approach of placing apps inside ~ISO archive that is run by a virtual machine, which is clear sign to me that they though about future upgrades from the very start. On PS4 we don't know how FreeBSD manages games, but I'm sure there won't be any major issues for both platforms.
No. People aren't that dumb to think a PSVR is required.
Because it was forced at launch. Yeah, if Sony forced PSVR on everyone and only sold a $900 PS4+PSVR bundle, there'd be a problem!
Without affecting the fortunes of the console proper. PS3 didn't die out when Move failed to be a runaway success. If PSVR crashes and burns, PS4 will still go on as the most popular console option. It'll be competition that'll challenge PS4's spot (NX!).
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Lots of people love Move. There's Arwin and.. uh... hmmm. I've got two and a charging station on on the now. In way PSVR is genius.
Sony Exec 1: We've got 30 million Move controllers unsold.
Sony Exec 2: Just build something that'll drive up demand. Something that'll sell more cameras too.
Sony Exec 2: Just build something that'll drive up demand. Something that'll sell more cameras too.
I'm surprised they havent tied the Move controller and Cameras to the OhMiBod...
I thought Game were doomed?
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It's amazing how Sony keep partnering with them. If you pre-order anything with them and there is the slightest hitch you'll lose your preorder and your place in the queue. Then there were two occasions when the online store charged a lot of people multiple times.
They are AWFUL. I would never shop there again and they made that easy by closing all the stores near where I live and work.
Instore? I doubt that - I have a receipt with date thanks. And I totally get what you're saying, but I thought Game were doomed and the presentation makes them look ok...certainly for as long as I need them to be!
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No, online. The online store is awful. Absolutely awful.
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