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Joe DeFuria
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Paul said:
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Um, All I said was "Why should anyone not believe it?"
I can't help it if you're so looking for a debate that you misread what people type. You're gonna give yourself a stroke if you keep on reading posts with that attitude.
I heard that Microsoft is considering Intel for the CPU supplier.
I believe it!
Joe DeFuria
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Paul said:
Right. That's obvious.
Just spouting off random and obvious thoughts? Nothing "wrong" with it, it's just useless.
I bet, even without seeing any public rumor, that MS in talks with several Hard Drive and Optical Drive IHVs, too.
Paul said:
*slaps Paul around with a large spikey trout*
It's one thing to 'STICK IT TO THE MAN' by buying an Xbox below cost (and thus adding to MS's debt), its another thing to screw over developers and tarnish the platform as a whole by supporting piracy.
Sigh, I can't help but think of the rabid Sega 'fans' burning ISOs on their cracked Dreamcast :?
Dr. Ffreeze
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/snicker
Dr. Ffreeze
Dr. Ffreeze
Paul said:
Sadly, this is quite true. For all platforms. :?
Paul:
> This goes against everything that has been said about Xbox.
So does pc ports, patching, keyboard adapter, Xbox Live software and Music Mixer software... it should be pretty obvious to anyone that M$ is full of crap. And it's only gonna get worse from here.
Joe DeFuria:
> What are they doing with Xbox2 BTW? I haven't heard anything, have you?
Aside from the information Paul already posted I can add that Ed Fries in an interview with Nihon Kezai Shimbun revealed that Xbox 2 will use numerous software technologies from M$. This was back in October last year. In May this year Peter Moore told Nikkei Business Publications that Xbox 2 will have functionality Sony and Nintendo will have a hard time matching. Clearly referring to M$' line-up of software products.
Besides anyone should be able to see where this is headed.
> Are these things planned for the base system, or add-ons, extra
> purchaseable ability?
All of the above.
> Who cares?
Not enough unfortunately. Being deliberately misled by a major corporation apparently doesn't matter much when they're throwing money at you the same time.
> that MS can make a console
Anyone can make a console. Not everyone can make it a viable business - this includes M$.
> How many developers would be skeptical of X-Box (MS first console), if
> MS advertised it as "it does all of this, and plays games too!".
So you are ok with them intentionally lying in order to get a foot in the door?
> Now, like Sony, MS has established their competancy as a game
> console manufacturer.
The only thing they're competent at is losing money.
> Why, because that's the truth?
It clearly is not.
> Did Sony market the Playstation1 as anything but a gaming console?
They pimped the CD player a bit but unlike the Xbox PS1 is very much a console.
> This goes against everything that has been said about Xbox.
So does pc ports, patching, keyboard adapter, Xbox Live software and Music Mixer software... it should be pretty obvious to anyone that M$ is full of crap. And it's only gonna get worse from here.
Joe DeFuria:
> What are they doing with Xbox2 BTW? I haven't heard anything, have you?
Aside from the information Paul already posted I can add that Ed Fries in an interview with Nihon Kezai Shimbun revealed that Xbox 2 will use numerous software technologies from M$. This was back in October last year. In May this year Peter Moore told Nikkei Business Publications that Xbox 2 will have functionality Sony and Nintendo will have a hard time matching. Clearly referring to M$' line-up of software products.
Besides anyone should be able to see where this is headed.
> Are these things planned for the base system, or add-ons, extra
> purchaseable ability?
All of the above.
> Who cares?
Not enough unfortunately. Being deliberately misled by a major corporation apparently doesn't matter much when they're throwing money at you the same time.
> that MS can make a console
Anyone can make a console. Not everyone can make it a viable business - this includes M$.
> How many developers would be skeptical of X-Box (MS first console), if
> MS advertised it as "it does all of this, and plays games too!".
So you are ok with them intentionally lying in order to get a foot in the door?
> Now, like Sony, MS has established their competancy as a game
> console manufacturer.
The only thing they're competent at is losing money.
> Why, because that's the truth?
It clearly is not.
> Did Sony market the Playstation1 as anything but a gaming console?
They pimped the CD player a bit but unlike the Xbox PS1 is very much a console.
Joe DeFuria
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Great...the world needs antother "MS is the AntiChrist" proponent...
Yeah, MS really mislead everyone about the X-Box alright. They certainly marketed it, and continue to market it as an "anything you want to do" device, and not a gaming console....oh wait....
Sounds like anyone who is "concerned" about MS getting their foot in the door is just "afraid" of competition. Why? I don't know...I always thought competition was a good thing...
cybamerc said:
Yeah, MS really mislead everyone about the X-Box alright. They certainly marketed it, and continue to market it as an "anything you want to do" device, and not a gaming console....oh wait....
Sounds like anyone who is "concerned" about MS getting their foot in the door is just "afraid" of competition. Why? I don't know...I always thought competition was a good thing...
Dr. Ffreeze
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cybamerc,
I am new the console debates, sorry if this has been covered before, but I don't quite understand where the problem is. It looks like Microsoft wanted to get their software out of the Den and into the Living Room. To do this they made a game console called the XBox to get their foot in the door. If they are able to get a large enough install base, then they can try to make the next generation XBox (maybe XBox 2?) that not only supports games, but also DVDs, auido, video recording and the like.
How is this bad?
Don't quite understand,
Dr. Ffreeze
I am new the console debates, sorry if this has been covered before, but I don't quite understand where the problem is. It looks like Microsoft wanted to get their software out of the Den and into the Living Room. To do this they made a game console called the XBox to get their foot in the door. If they are able to get a large enough install base, then they can try to make the next generation XBox (maybe XBox 2?) that not only supports games, but also DVDs, auido, video recording and the like.
How is this bad?
Don't quite understand,
Dr. Ffreeze
Dr. Ffreeze said:
I agree. I don't see how this is bad. Without Microsoft competing, then Sony themselves could be the ones taking over the living room. Now we have to 2 competing companies wanting the living room and in the end the customer wins by having a choice and lower costs. The only reason I could see why Paul and cybermerc have a problem is that Sony's competition is Microsoft and not some other perceptively non-evil company like Nintendo, Sega or a consumer electronic company like Panasonic. In the end, good or bad, I believe Microsoft is probably the only company that can possibly compete with Sony for the living room. Nobody else has the balls, money or technology. Whether or not Microsoft is able to overtake or even compete with Sony remains to be seen, but at least their presence is enough to keep Sony on their toes. I'd rather have a choice then none at all, wouldn't you?
Tommy McClain
Dr. Ffreeze
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Tommy,
Cool, good input. That is kinda they way I see it. Oh, and I remember the old days of Dimension 3D! RaR! Joo rock! =)
Dr. Ffreeze
Cool, good input. That is kinda they way I see it. Oh, and I remember the old days of Dimension 3D! RaR! Joo rock! =)
Dr. Ffreeze
Nope.
MS wants control of the living room so no other companies can use competing OS's in devices such as a Playstation.
This is the problem, MS isn't in this to create good competition; they are in it to take total control of the living room so nothing can hurt their PC OS's.
You didn't read my posts at all did you.
Joe DeFuria
Legend
cybamerc said:
Since when does anyone compete for the sake of competition?
MS, Like Sony, is interested in winning.
MS Built, marketed, and sold a console, Like Sony.
Developers can choose to develop for Sony or X-Box, or both.
Consumers can choose to by Sony, or MS (or both, or neither.)
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What is not fair here?
As does Sony. You don't think Sony seing Microsoft in the living room isn't a threat against Sony's consumer electronics?
This somehow implies that Sony is a pauper?
Funny...last I checked X-Box certainly was competitive in terms of technical merit on the console itself, if not superior. For all the "talent" that Sony has, why couldn't they noticably out do Microsoft on their very first noob attempt at a console?
Dr. Ffreeze
Regular
Paul,
Of coarse they are not in this to create good competition. They are in this to win, much like any business, much like Sony. What is the matter if they want to have all of their products in the living room or if they want to make every game player happy as a lark with hot hardware? Again, please explain how any of that is wrong.
Sorry Paul, I still don't understand,
Dr. Ffreeze
PS. I am serious, I am not trying to be argumentative. If you said Ford wanted every person in America to drive a Ford I would say, "Duh!". Of coarse they want total domination on US highways. What company does not want to succeed and be #1?
Of coarse they are not in this to create good competition. They are in this to win, much like any business, much like Sony. What is the matter if they want to have all of their products in the living room or if they want to make every game player happy as a lark with hot hardware? Again, please explain how any of that is wrong.
Sorry Paul, I still don't understand,
Dr. Ffreeze
PS. I am serious, I am not trying to be argumentative. If you said Ford wanted every person in America to drive a Ford I would say, "Duh!". Of coarse they want total domination on US highways. What company does not want to succeed and be #1?