Xenon Project

Paul said:
If you genuinely don’t like the motives of the company behind the xbox, then why support them by buying it?

I play the games and I support Sega, and buying an Xbox isn't even supporting MS; they lose cash per each sold.

That’s BS, and you know it :)
By buying an xbox you contribute to the number of sold consoles that microsoft can shove in developers faces when they try to convince them to develop for the machine, and also as notAfanB said, you are supporting them every time you buy a game or peripherals.
About Sega; I think its obvious, that Sega is only supporting xbox because microsoft saved their arse when it was skating on thin thin ice, and they are therefore morally, (and who knows, maybe economically) obliged to support xbox at least as long as they break even.
 
Right, and unreasonably so.

Maybe to you.

What are they doing with Xbox2 BTW? I haven't heard anything, have you?

According to Gates, the next-generation Xbox (which many people speculate will be called "Xbox Next", based on recent domain name registrations by Microsoft) will be a much more broadly-focused multimedia device than the current console. Among the features touted for the system are "digital media capabilities such as video and photo editing" and "Internet capabilities without the need for direct connections through Wi-Fi."

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?section_name=pub&aid=1229

This goes against everything that has been said about Xbox. Here's what's funny, they poke fun at PS2 for having all these functions, and then they are about to do it themselves.

Wrong. What they are doing, whatever it is, is what they think they need to do to make money. Same as Sony.

Then they should have never stated that Xbox is a gaming only console, and they should have never made fun of ps2's dvd capability, firewire("What are you gonna put a SCSI back there?" - Seamus) USB ports. Oh and for the last time, Xbox as a whole isn't to make money, I went over this.


And as for being hypocritical...I surely hope that Sony isn't planning on a hard drive or broadband network capability with PS3...after all, I believe they "poo-poohed" such things at the X-Box launch....we wouldn't want Sony to be hypocritical now, would we?

Sony ALWAYS had these plans in mind and never touted PS2 as a gaming only device as MICROSOFT DID. So there is nothing hypocritical about it. Besides, why bring up Sony? This is what everyone is trying to do, bring Sony into the equation. This isn't about Sony.

Oh, I see...you buy those games from the special "MS doesn't get a royalty this game" bin at Wal-Mart?

Who says I buy them? Even if I did, they aren't making money off Xbox, the money they make off games goes directly to that huge over a billion dollar Xbox loss.
 
Paul said:
Right, and unreasonably so.

Maybe to you.

Yup.

According to Gates, the next-generation Xbox (which many people speculate will be called "Xbox Next", based on recent domain name registrations by Microsoft) will be a much more broadly-focused multimedia device than the current console. Among the features touted for the system are "digital media capabilities such as video and photo editing" and "Internet capabilities without the need for direct connections through Wi-Fi."

And that's just jim-dandy. Are these things planned for the base system, or add-ons, extra purchaseable ability?

This goes against everything that has been said about Xbox.

Who cares? With X-Box, MS had to proove to content developers, that MS can make a console, and that it was not trying to be anything else. How many developers would be skeptical of X-Box (MS first console), if MS advertised it as "it does all of this, and plays games too!".

MS, having no track record as a console supplier, had to prove to developers, that GAMES would be the focus of X-Box. That for every X-Box sold, that means people are using it to play games.

Now, like Sony, MS has established their competancy as a game console manufacturer.

Here's what's funny, they poke fun at PS2 for having all these functions, and then they are about to do it themselves.

Wow...a guy speaking in a PR role downplaying some other competitor's product? Say it isn't so!

Then they should have never stated that Xbox is a gaming only console,

Why, because that's the truth?

...and they should have never made fun of ps2's dvd capability, firewire("What are you gonna put a SCSI back there?" - Seamus) USB ports.

And Sony never pooh-poohed x-Box's built-in broadband?

All I clearly remember of the two launches, is that MS belives pretty much in "if it's not part of the shipping console, it's a gimmick"...referring to other consoles shipping add-on adapters, hard drives, etc.

Sony ALWAYS had these plans in mind

Really? And MS didn't ALWAYS have the x-box 2 plans in mind? Just because they didn't tell YOU?

and never touted PS2 as a gaming only device as MICROSOFT DID.

Of course, because MICROSOFT HAD TOO. Being that they never produced a console before.

Try naming me one other "first gen" console that was successful being marketed as a "multi-purpose device." Rip CD-I, 3DO....various Linux boxes...

Did Sony market the Playstation1 as anything but a gaming console?

Who says I buy them?

You are creating demand for them, as long as you play them. You said you were supporting Sega. How can you do that without BUYING or at least RENTING Sega games? Weather it's renting or buying, you are creating demand for X-Box games, and contributing to MS profits.

Even if I did, they aren't making money off Xbox, the money they make off games goes directly to that huge over a billion dollar Xbox loss.

Paul, give it a rest. Come back and brag about "hurting" Microsoft after you buy a donzen or so x-boxes and keep them unwrapped as they sit in your attic....
 
Paul said:
Besides, why bring up Sony? This is what everyone is trying to do, bring Sony into the equation. This isn't about Sony.

[url=http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7539&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 said:
Paul[/url]]It's so they can try and prevent Sony from installing Linux based machines into millions of homes with their Playstation; and so they can try and beat Sony to the living room or before they know it they have the living room controlled by other OS's besides Windows.
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But all of a sudden how the tables turn, xbox 2 is being touted as a do-it-all device not unlike Sony's goal.
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I mean astleast Sony is honest about it, they say they want Playstation to turn into a do-it-all; and we see this with PSP and we will with PS3. This is why you have Cell, a processor that can run multiple devices and handle network packets. This is to jack PS3 into the net, so sony can have a shot at their beyond gaming goal.

MS tout's "video game system" but on the xbox2 box they may have to write something similar to Sony "computer entertainment console".

:rolleyes:
 
DaveBaumann said:
Paul said:
Besides, why bring up Sony? This is what everyone is trying to do, bring Sony into the equation. This isn't about Sony.

[url=http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7539&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 said:
Paul[/url]]It's so they can try and prevent Sony from installing Linux based machines into millions of homes with their Playstation; and so they can try and beat Sony to the living room or before they know it they have the living room controlled by other OS's besides Windows.
....
But all of a sudden how the tables turn, xbox 2 is being touted as a do-it-all device not unlike Sony's goal.
...
I mean astleast Sony is honest about it, they say they want Playstation to turn into a do-it-all; and we see this with PSP and we will with PS3. This is why you have Cell, a processor that can run multiple devices and handle network packets. This is to jack PS3 into the net, so sony can have a shot at their beyond gaming goal.

MS tout's "video game system" but on the xbox2 box they may have to write something similar to Sony "computer entertainment console".

:rolleyes:

Thanks Dave, I got a good chuckle out of that. ;)

Tommy McClain
 
Roll your eyes all you want. I was talking about how people like chap goes "Sony does it, big deal" in response to my arguments.

Wow...a guy speaking in a PR role downplaying some other competitor's product? Say it isn't so!

Seamus isn't just "some" PR guy.


You came in here with no argument at all.


Yup, goes to prove that what they said meant jack-shit and they really don't care about gamers at all.

This is the truth and you KNOW IT.

Everything they said about Xbox as a whole now means nothing; it was all a ploy to attract people and even you admit this. Maybe you don't care, however I do.


With X-Box, MS had to proove to content developers, that MS can make a console, and that it was not trying to be anything else.

Yup, again all a big ploy, look how quickly they drop the act when it comes to Xbox2. Oh but let me guess "it doesn't matter".

And MS didn't ALWAYS have the x-box 2 plans in mind?

Then they should have never branded "Xbox" with the whole video game thing if they are going to drop it when Xbox2 comes along, Sony kept it's options open hence the reason why they call it a "computer entertainment system"


Bottom line: Microsoft doesn't give a damn about gamers as they claim and the whole Xbox being a videogame console was a one time deal, a ploy to attract people to Xbox.
 
Paul said:
Yup, goes to prove that what they said meant jack-shit and they really don't care about gamers at all....
This is the truth and you KNOW IT.

Again, the only TRUTH that you and I BOTH know is that MS and Sony don't give a rat's ass about "gamers" any more than they are a vehicle to make money.

Geezus, by your logic, Sony is even "worse" than MS. Sony has such ambitious plans with "cell" (as you continually parrot), and they plan on pulling it off squarely on the backs of gamers! They've actually DUPED you into willingly being their little guinea pigs for world domination....My, the horror! How do you sleep at night, being manipulated as you are?

:rolleyes:

Then they should have never branded "Xbox" with the whole video game thing if they are going to drop it when Xbox2 comes along....

Why, because you say so?

Sony kept it's options open hence the reason why they call it a "computer entertainment system"

Well, that's just a bald faced lie! It's not a computer at all! Man...those Sony bastards.... :rolleyes:
 
Paul,

Seriously, how old are you? Maybe that will explain your rabid fanaticism against Microsoft. Settle down a little bit OK? Microsoft is not the anti-christ and they're not out to get you either.

Dont we have an xbox 2 thread already

Actually, no, they have all turned into PS3/Cell threads. Wake me up when a Xbox2 thread stays on topic.

Tommy McClain
 
Is this the game your going to play?

Given the current state of ATI's south bridge chips, which are well behind the technology curve, it makes sense for Microsoft to be considering other south bridge chip designers for the next Xbox.

the fact SiS's south bridge chips are being considered for use in the next Xbox probably means that ATI doesn't have a big, bad south bridge of its own lurking just over the horizon.

That's why I believe it.

This is all rumour, take a look at this report;

http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Article.asp?datePublish=2003/08/25&pages=83&seq=85

But the fact that ATI really has no good south bridge as stated by the article leads me to believe that MS going to sis is true. And not some rumour.
 
Paul said:
Is this the game your going to play?

Um, what game. Did you read my comment? I said why should anyone NOT believe it? (Not why sould anyone believe it.)

What on earth is inherent in a south bridge that one should automatically assume that ATI is doing that, vs. another vendor? You can bet there's going to be competition for the south bridge, as there should be.

That's why I believe it.

Um, I believe it too (that MS is courting other non ATI vendors as possible south bridge suppliers). This is not surprising in the least. So I have no idea why you would comment "I believe it."

Again: Who wouldn't believe it?
 
So then why even make a big deal about nothing? Your gonna give yourself a heart attack.

Why should anyone not believe it?

Because hence the "rumour" part of the whole thing, nothing is confirmed. Things like this aren't fact, but like I said I believe it.

You either choose to believe a rumour or not, in this case We believe it based on the evidence.
 
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