Xbox 360 price drops by $50

[Vic]

Whether intended as an insult or an observation, it serves no useful purpose. At best it goes unnoticed. At worst it aggravates the person you're talking about and gets people making alternative observations.

Nothing wrong with alternative observations in my book. I think everyone has differing opinions with regards to the price-drop, with these opinion's being intrinsically linked to the individual's perceived value of the console.

IMO, its not enough and I wont get one, but some will people will.

 

[patsu]

The Wii Nunchuk is at #6 is while the Wii Remote is #11. Consumers are clearly vote with their dollars here

Should say "online consumers with American credit cards (plus potentially more qualifiers)".

The other factor (may not come into play here) is pre-orders. I think Amazon ranking includes pre-orders while real sales ranking does not (so there is some time shift there).

Wii is certainly doing well both online and offline thanks to Nintendo's wonderful strategy and execution, but as I mentioned, the actual (overall) ranking may still differ (e.g., the nunchucks and remote ranking could be higher instead of #6 and #11, ... or not).

 

[scooby_dooby]

Nothing wrong with alternative observations in my book. I think everyone has differing opinions with regards to the price-drop, with these opinion's being intrinsically linked to the individual's perceived value of the console.

IMO, its not enough and I wont get one, but some will people will.

Point is stupid personal comments like that do nothing but sidetrack the discussion. And considering you're just as bad as anyone else, I think you're the last person who should be flinging that stuff around.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with his OP.

Given 360's strong lineup, $50 'might' be enough to spur an excellent holiday, and we will have to wait a few months to find out.

That's a very straightforward, logical statement. You coming in, and calling him a fanboy because of it, just makes you look look childish and immature.

If you have an intelligent argument as to why $50 will definately NOT be enough, then lets hear it, otherwise just save the nonsense for neogaf. You didn't debate his point at all, you simply flung out a lame personal attack.

Look here for a post that actually debates this issue: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1046904&postcount=148, and then contrast it to your own.

.... Actually I dont own a PS3 or a Wii...

I can only judge by your posts, which you must admit are 99% pro-sony. Are you really gonna argue this?

 

[rbushner]

Right now, I'm not sure a $100 price cut would be the best thing marketing wise. It would appear very knee jerk reaction to Sony's $100 price cut, whether or not it actually is. The core 360 is now a bit over half the price of a PS3, if they go cheaper they are going to have a hard time convincing people they should be compared to the PS3 and not the Wii. It's already a tough sell.

You can only drop to $199 once, that is a big price milestone. Save it for when you are ready for it. I would love to know how much the warranty issues have changed Microsoft's initial gameplan.

I don't recall who said it previously, but this is exactly how a market leader acts, they aren't going to blow their load on Winter 2007. They can save a drop for spring, when GTA launches (I'm sure some other Winter titles will end up shipping Spring 08 too).

Then again, I'm one who didn't expect either Sony or MS to price drop this year at all.

 

[Rangers]

Right now a 360 premium is 329.99 on Amazon with free shipping.

Not too shabby.

Also, I understand Forza 2 was on sale yesterday for 39.99, yet I only see it for 59.99 (or 54.99 now) what's up with that?

 

[thatdude90210]

If you have an intelligent argument as to why $50 will definately NOT be enough, then lets hear it, otherwise just save the nonsense for neogaf. You didn't debate his point at all, you simply flung out a lame personal attack.

A little of topic - sure neogaf have lots of goofing around, with some name calling & funny gifs. But they have some of the best sales analysis and discussions around. And their mods are quick with the ban, probably the quickest anywhere.

 

[Fu3lFr3nzy]

Right now, I'm not sure a $100 price cut would be the best thing marketing wise. It would appear very knee jerk reaction to Sony's $100 price cut, whether or not it actually is. The core 360 is now a bit over half the price of a PS3, if they go cheaper they are going to have a hard time convincing people they should be compared to the PS3 and not the Wii. It's already a tough sell.

I dont know if this is just the internet perception, because afaik, the mass consumers love electronics at cheaper prices. Just because Core "could be" at the same price point as a Wii, doesnt mean people will compare it to that.

Only a small percentage of the overall consumers analyzes a console inside and out(like us here ), the remaining millions would buy a console simply because a game/games/gameplay(Wii) they saw interests them and the price is right for them.

Everytime I go to a Best Buy/Circuit City/etc, whenever theres something "on sale" or lower price, people jump on the opportunity. I dont see them going "oh, well it must be cheap for a reason. Like its crap or something" .

But thats just my take to it. I could be wrong

Right now a 360 premium is 329.99 on Amazon with free shipping.

Not too shabby.

Kotaku had a theory that those could be the old Premiums(Pre-HDMI), so theyre basically clearing out the remaining units to make way for the HDMI equipped versions, then bring back the price to normal

 

[rbushner]

Everytime I go to a Best Buy/Circuit City/etc, whenever theres something "on sale" or lower price, people jump on the opportunity.

I'm not saying it devalues the product, it just could end up a marketing disaster to go after the Wii. I can just see the Pachter analysis, 'Microsoft dealt blow, as the more expensive but cheaper to build Wii outsells it in the U.S.' Right now Microsoft is spared some of the comparisons, because there is some belief that the markets aren't quite the same (no matter how true/false that principle is). If Microsoft plays price war on the Wii, there can be negative consequences if they don't win, those may end up in the news and hurt momentum.

I could be wrong

Me too, just my take. I would've never been able to guess that the last 12 months would've turned out this way.

 

[RancidLunchmeat]

Right now, I'm not sure a $100 price cut would be the best thing marketing wise.

I liked this.

Because instead of just saying such a move would be good or bad, in addition to explaining why (which I snipped) he also explained the perspective he was using to make the point.

I'd like to see more of this. Dropping $50 is bad for who? MS in terms of gaining market share and 'winning' a war that doesn't really exist outside of the forums? The consumer who was inexplicably expecting a $100 discount? MS's share holders who want to see a return on their investment? etc...

 

[Vic]

Point is stupid personal comments like that do nothing but sidetrack the discussion. And considering you're just as bad as anyone else, I think you're the last person who should be flinging that stuff around.

I can only judge by your posts, which you must admit are 99% pro-sony. Are you really gonna argue this?

Right, and who made you God?

I'm certainly not gonna waste more time than I need to, on you.

People have no problem with posters extrapolating current sales figures, years into the future. Yet you're flaming me for saying a $50 cut isnt enough for me and perhaps other people too? Maybe when you've calmed down a bit, you'll realise how irrational you're being.

I think 13% over 21 months isnt enough considering the increased competition this gen. However, it will be interesting to see how it all pans out, and what Nintendo and Sony's strategies are.

 

[patsu]

I liked this.

Because instead of just saying such a move would be good or bad, in addition to explaining why (which I snipped) he also explained the perspective he was using to make the point.

I'd like to see more of this.

Yap ! Would make a more interesting and in-depth discussion. At the very least it allows people to understand and value/judge their comments better.

 

[scooby_dooby]

People have no problem with posters extrapolating current sales figures, years into the future. Yet you're flaming me for saying a $50 cut isnt enough for me and perhaps other people too?

I never even mentioned that post. I have no problem with that comment at all.

This is the garbage I'm talking about: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1046907&postcount=150

I'm not sure why you insist on being so stubborn. Step back, look at your original post, and be objective. It was nothing more than childish name calling.

You didn't debate the argument, you attacked the poster. And that's the sort of thing that ruins discussions.

 

[TheChefO]

Right, and who made you God?

I'm certainly not gonna waste more time than I need to, on you.

People have no problem with posters extrapolating current sales figures, years into the future. Yet you're flaming me for saying a $50 cut isnt enough for me and perhaps other people too? Maybe when you've calmed down a bit, you'll realise how irrational you're being.

I think 13% over 21 months isnt enough considering the increased competition this gen. However, it will be interesting to see how it all pans out, and what Nintendo and Sony's strategies are.

Vic, You still don't get it.

The point isn't that you agreed or disagreed with the price cut or its significance or the actual amount. The point is you attacked another poster who made a very reasonable post and called him biased without further explaining your position or why his was wrong.

Generally speaking we all have biases (even devs), one should debate the post/idea, not the poster.

 

[Fu3lFr3nzy]

I'm not saying it devalues the product, it just could end up a marketing disaster to go after the Wii. I can just see the Pachter analysis, 'Microsoft dealt blow, as the more expensive but cheaper to build Wii outsells it in the U.S.' Right now Microsoft is spared some of the comparisons, because there is some belief that the markets aren't quite the same (no matter how true/false that principle is). If Microsoft plays price war on the Wii, there can be negative consequences if they don't win, those may end up in the news and hurt momentum.

Darn, I misread your previous post and funny how 1 word can start a conversation(I thought you said "not" a good decision )

I see what youre saying though, and sounds about right. That would be very bad press for them if they were being demolished(dare I say the word ) by Wii despite the low price.

 

[TheChefO]

That would be very bad press for them if they were being demolished(dare I say the word ) by Wii despite the low price.

Honestly if they're both selling very well, but Wii is still selling 50% more, it doesn't devalue 360 selling well.

I think most people in the market for either aren't exactly overlapping.

Just as comparing Wii sales to ps3 isn't worth much aside from forum chatter.

Bottomline, better sales are better sales regardless how they compare to a competitor.

(doesn't change the fact MS are idiots for not dropping $100 off the xb360 price)

 

[patsu]

Honestly if they're both selling very well, but Wii is still selling 50% more, it doesn't devalue 360 selling well.

I actually agree with you, but the unforgiving, oh-so-sensational media may refuse to understand this.

 

[assen]

About Amazon: people who have watched closely say it took PS3 three or four days after the initial press release about the cut to reach #1 on Amazon. Wait a couple of days more.

...And here it is, #2, second only to Halo 3 preorder.

No doubt helped by the additional $20 discount by Amazon - I buy the theory about cleaning out the non-HDMI stock.

Edit: #1 now, #2 Halo, #3 Wii, #4 PS3. The Elite is AWOL in the Top 100, yet it was Top 25 in the morning... something fishy - out of stock? distontinued? numbers rolled into the Premium?

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I actually agree with you, but the unforgiving, oh-so-sensational media may refuse to understand this.

There's always 'winner' and 'losers'. Mutual cohabitation? Different strokes for different folks? Nope; it's a race, apparently. Do other industries have this? Do car forums post sales figures and make frantic debate over sales? Do engineers post of the latest figures on which bridge types are the most popular? "Suspension are growing far faster than cantilever bridges. Anyone who builds a cantilever these days is a loooooo-zzzzeeeerrrrrr!" Has anyone heard of mobile phone purchases following sales trends to determine which phone to buy?

 

[patsu]

The gaming industry is unique.

BTW, I think Xbox 360 20Gb finally made it to #2 (#1 is Halo, #3 is Wii and #4 is PS3).

EDIT: beaten

 

[AlphaWolf]

There's always 'winner' and 'losers'. Mutual cohabitation? Different strokes for different folks? Nope; it's a race, apparently. Do other industries have this? Do car forums post sales figures and make frantic debate over sales? Do engineers post of the latest figures on which bridge types are the most popular? "Suspension are growing far faster than cantilever bridges. Anyone who builds a cantilever these days is a loooooo-zzzzeeeerrrrrr!" Has anyone heard of mobile phone purchases following sales trends to determine which phone to buy?

I hear the auto sales rankings all the time.