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There are too many failure modes for the installer to simply assume the installation went correctly. You say it needs "so many restarts", but even Linux (RHEL 7) requires at least two, which is the same number as a clean install of Windows.
It does, apparently nobody pays attention to it. The very last message is a countdown timer that asks you to remove the media as the machine is going to boot into Windows for the first time.
It does give an indication, see above.
On Vista and later, the DVD bootloader has a unique flag that allows you to skip booting to the DVD even if that drive is first in your boot order. Had you installed Win10 from DVD, that flag still exists. Unfortunately, that method is unique to the firmware implementations for optical media, it doesn't behave the same way for hard drives (USB invocation at boot is treated as a removable hard drive.)
If your firmware is set to first boot from your USB media, then it's your problem as to why it booted from the USB media. How much more simple could this be made to those who are "affected" by their own decision?
I'm sorry that I'm a bit edgy this morning, part of it is my fault of course. Nevertheless, I simply cannot understand how the complaints swirl around YOU setting YOUR OWN boot order to boot from USB, and then acting put out when the media is booted and installation process begins. Even to make the installation start up, you'd have to agree the EULA, agree to the disk partitioning, all number of things. It cannot possibly sit there and install / re-install / re-re-install unless you're clicking something or you've modified the install media.
I know that RHEL behaves the same way when booting install media; you cannot with a straight face tell me this is a Microsoft-specific issue.
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Great, so we have one anecdote each, so it's a tie
To be fair, I'm talking about installing it on HP DL hardware, so perhaps carrier-grade hardware somehow behaves differently than commodity hardware.
Heres how the thing went with windos XP installing from CD/DVD
http://www.wikihow.com/Install-Windows-XP
see step 10
Albuquerque: "How dare they, I have my bios set to boot from DVD and it boots from HDD the second time round"
You can't have it both ways, in win XP (& other windows versions) even if the bios is set to boot from DVD it will boot from the HDD by default the second time it starts up
I addressed your CD/DVD example, I notice you didn't quote it. Sorry that you missed it, please go back and check again.
The installer follows a script of some sort, right? At the end of the script there is a final operation, some file written, some registry entry made; whatever. You check for that, if the right stuff is found where it was supposed to be, you know the initial step of the installation finished properly and you can proceed without copying everything all over again. Or you could just MD5 fingerprint-check all the stuff you just copied and go completely paranoid, but that seems excessive, because if you don't trust the initial round of the install, what's to say you can trust anything from that point forwards? You'd never be able to proceed!
The install does not proceed without you taking multiple steps; I see no reason for all this discussion centering on stopping an install that has no way to start without your intervention to begin with.
Here is how to install windows 8 from dvd/USB (both same method) also this was the same method in XP (and prolly most other windows versions)
http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows-8/ss/windows-8-clean-install-part-1.htm#step17
heres windows 10 method DVD/USB whatever
http://www.qoncious.com/questions/how-install-windows-10-usb
All I was doing was posting a warning here for ppl doing a fresh install of win 10, Albuquerqu makes a mistake by saying I'm wrong and instead of admitting he cocked up just digs himself further into a hole, mate we all make errorsThe best logical answer is to admit and learn from them
http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows-8/ss/windows-8-clean-install-part-1.htm#step17
heres windows 10 method DVD/USB whatever
http://www.qoncious.com/questions/how-install-windows-10-usb
see the screen shot above, there is no indication that you need to remove the USB stick or change the bios boot order
All I was doing was posting a warning here for ppl doing a fresh install of win 10, Albuquerqu makes a mistake by saying I'm wrong and instead of admitting he cocked up just digs himself further into a hole, mate we all make errors
The best logical answer is to admit and learn from them
From external media, it requires you to click "Ok" to the first Welcome screen, then click Next to accept their EULA, then you proceed through a "configure your disk" wizard (load storage drivers maybe, select target disk, optionally manage partitions) and only then will it start installing.This discussion started because of one guy's experience that the installer got stuck in a loop, re-copying everything repeatedly like an idiot, and then others jumping in saying it couldn't possibly work any other way - except it can of course.
The failure described is linked only to an OS upgrade state, or else modified installation media using DISM tools to pre-answer all of those prompts. Those are the only two options.
The article is in error; google search for exactly this term: DISM "press any key"
You will find the necessary DISM command to set or remove that flag from bootable media; it is only available for CD/DVD boot mechanisms. This is a unique function related to firmware handling of bootable optical media which has been around since bootable optical media has been supported by firmware. Linux has other interesting ways of booting with their GRUB loader doing a hand-off to media on other boot devices, Microsoft doesn't for various reasons
Gents, I do this for a living, for two separate fortune 250 companies in the US. My top two core competencies are Enterprise Windows OS management / deployment and Enterprise virtualization. You guys can run circles around me all day every day talking about ROPs and ALUs and register utilization and various compression mechanisms and all the other cool, nerdy shit that I don't fully understand and yet love to come here and read about every day.
Nevertheless, this entire thread and explicitly these two topics are where I make my contributions, because I can recite this shit in my sleep. WIndows OS installations from external media require you to take multiple steps by design, and the "Press any key to boot from CD/DVD" is only available on CD or DVD. That's just how it is, full stop.
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It’s official – Microsoft is killing Control Panel
http://winaero.com/blog/its-official-microsoft-is-killing-control-panel/
http://winaero.com/blog/its-official-microsoft-is-killing-control-panel/
It would be a serious mistake to do that without a re-vamp of the new settings windows introduced in W10, as many of them are so barebones you just can't change the settings you want to tweak.
Idiot-proofing OS settings should not be done in such a way that only idiots find the new method of changing them appealing.
Idiot-proofing OS settings should not be done in such a way that only idiots find the new method of changing them appealing.
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That tweet that they use as "proof" doesn't say anything at all about removing the control panel. It only restates the current situation that there is only one settings "app" that is easily accessible by your average consumer in tablet and desktop mode.
In short the question was.
Why not have the settings "app" in Tablet mode and classic control panel in Desktop mode.
And the answer was.
It's better to just have one.
While it could mean that the CP is going away, it is highly unlikely in anything other than Windows Home (you can't set proxies for internet browsing without access to the CP, for example, which is essential for Windows in many work places). And that's just one small example of many of settings that are required in most work places that the consumer settings "app" doesn't provide access to.
More likely, it just means they are not going to provide a separate settings "app" (the control panel) as default while in desktop mode.
An article meant to generate hits with a sensationalist interpretation of a relatively innocent tweet.
Regards,
SB
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As I've already called myself out as one of the resident Microsoft fan-boys in this thread, their approach to "Metro Settings App" thing sucks ballsack. Either they need to go all-in on making settings a true Windows Universal App, or they need to cut that shit out and just use the Control Panel that everyone seems to understand.
I might be able to accept a Universal App for settings that are "common", and some sort of "advanced" controls that go to a full / native desktop app, but I'd have to see a damned-fine implementation to convince me. That's yet another obvious thing they've really never fixed since breaking it in Windows 8.
I might be able to accept a Universal App for settings that are "common", and some sort of "advanced" controls that go to a full / native desktop app, but I'd have to see a damned-fine implementation to convince me. That's yet another obvious thing they've really never fixed since breaking it in Windows 8.
Is anyone still waiting for an upgrade? All 4 of my PC's requested the upgrade to 10 before it went live. The 3 8.1 machines got upgraded within weeks but my htpc running 7 is still waiting. When I click on the windows icon in the sys tray it still says thanks for registering and your upgrade could be ready in days or weeks.
There are several methods to "force" the upgrade detailed here:
https://techjourney.net/force-trigger-download-and-install-of-windows-10-free-upgrade-kb3012973/
The "AllowOSUpgrade" method worked for me on one machine and I used the media creation tool to upgrade two others.
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